whoa opie, after reading those threads i understand why you didn't even try to explain. that even after i followed spider mite protocol, much like you yourself did it just isn't enough. sprays during veg, predators during bloom, but it just isn't enough. so i should get a fly strip? the toxins will permeate the room (only if my ventilation isn't on)? and this will kill my spider mites (and also my lady bugs and predator mites) right? ok, i'll give it a try, thanks for explaining it to me...