thanks for all the advice peeps, i have now only 8 programs on my start up running but it hasn't made that much differance but it definately has speeded it up a little, going to try reinstalling windows and if that doesn't sort it out i will clean the hd then if that dont sort it i think i may just buy a new computer because this pc is 3 years old now and i suppose thats quite old for a pc, once again thanks for all your help:thumbsup: