OG Kush... The purple pheno...

[stinkyattic]

Not all plants have 3 identifiable phenos.
Only F1 hybrids of unrelated strains will really distinctly show that.
If you force-hermed an OG, you'd get a feminized OG Kush F2.
Yes, you could then backcross and backcross to your heart's content using fem pollen but this is NOT something I'd recommend as I believe that over time you would end up wiht a weaker set of genetics.
Your better bet by FAR would be to research the ORIGIN of the OGKush and try to find its nearest relative that is available in seed form, and use that as a source of male pollen for your first generation, take the resultant male offspring with the STRONGEST OGKush traits from each subsequent generation, and use them to backcross repeatedly to your original OGKush clone.
Eventually you will get a generation that is 99% pure. This is a pain in the fucking ASS since you can't gauge flower traits in a male.

Guess where the '99' in C99 came from? She's a Princess offspring stabilized over MANY backcrossed generations. I'm not sure exactly what the method was but it sho' took a while, lol.

Oh- and onequickmove, be nice- Megatron has got this mostly figured out, we're here to clarify the fine points to each other. If you aren't going to help that process, hush....

[Megatron]

Not all plants have 3 identifiable phenos.
Only F1 hybrids of unrelated strains will really distinctly show that.
If you force-hermed an OG, you'd get a feminized OG Kush F2.
Yes, you could then backcross and backcross to your heart's content using fem pollen but this is NOT something I'd recommend as I believe that over time you would end up wiht a weaker set of genetics.
Your better bet by FAR would be to research the ORIGIN of the OGKush and try to find its nearest relative that is available in seed form, and use that as a source of male pollen for your first generation, take the resultant male offspring with the STRONGEST OGKush traits from each subsequent generation, and use them to backcross repeatedly to your original OGKush clone.
Eventually you will get a generation that is 99% pure. This is a pain in the fucking ASS since you can't gauge flower traits in a male.

Guess where the '99' in C99 came from? She's a Princess offspring stabilized over MANY backcrossed generations. I'm not sure exactly what the method was but it sho' took a while, lol.

Oh- and onequickmove, be nice- Megatron has got this mostly figured out, we're here to clarify the fine points to each other. If you aren't going to help that process, hush....

Thanks, I see what your saying. So a hybrid with two very different parents will be easier to spot the different phenos than say a IBL that is on god knows what F stage in its life. That makes sense! SO my best bet would be to cross it with a good kush strain to try and keep the genetics as pure as possible. Thanks for the advice. I have some Ninja Kush seeds that, in the future, i will sprout and maybe trya cros or two with them. Well I guess Im going to use this new info on this strain and try and get the grower to give me any more info regarding the original genetics of this clone. If he knows at all. But my best guess would be that it is a og kush clone that got crossed with a purple strain. All I do know about the strain, besides it being purple, is that its average harvest is 4 oz per plant dry weight. Has a mid to high oder level during flowering, and is very indica looking in structure. Very potent strain, but no clue on the taste yet, i have not had a chance to try the finished product. Ill keep you informed.

[Megatron]

Hey stinky... What do you consider a TRUE F1. I have been think about it alot and its kind of hard to put my finger on what is true F1. I mean if you cross to plants that are of the same family, IBL, then the plant is homozygous right? Its when you take that IBL and cross it with another plant that is different family that the offspring will be heterozygous. (is this correct?) Thus making it a F1 hybrid. So if you take a F1 and cross it with another F1 hybrid, do you get another F1. i.e: somaG13 x 4way = ? Is this a F1 hybrid that would be recognized like this. somaG13/4way? or would it be a F2 since the strains were both F1s and already heterozygous? I thought that to be a true F1 hybrid that you would have to cross two IBLs, or homozygous strains. And can a F1 that is now heterozygous ever be inbred enough to be considered a homozygous IBL again? I was told by some one that NL was a F1 but has since been inbred so many times that it is a stable breeding strain. Am I even on the right track here, or am i way off. thanks!

[stinkyattic]

I mean if you cross to plants that are of the same family, IBL, then the plant is homozygous right?
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Yes, crossing 2 plants of the same IBL (ex: Island Sweet SKunk, Federation seeds), you get offspring of the same IBL, and they are identical. The genes are all sorted out in a consistent way.

Its when you take that IBL and cross it with another plant that is different family that the offspring will be heterozygous. (is this correct?) Thus making it a F1 hybrid. !

Right. And these offspring do not even show a lot of variation amongst themselves because of the way the dominant genes are consistent.

So if you take a F1 and cross it with another F1 hybrid, do you get another F1. i.e: somaG13 x 4way = ? Is this a F1 hybrid that would be recognized like this. somaG13/4way? or would it be a F2 since the strains were both F1s and already heterozygous?!

You get what is usually referred to as a 'multiple hybrid'. I'm not sure if there is a different technical term for that.

I thought that to be a true F1 hybrid that you would have to cross two IBLs, or homozygous strains. !

Hm, I'm not sure how strict that is. Two different reasonably stable lines would produce something you could reasonably call an F1...

And can a F1 that is now heterozygous ever be inbred enough to be considered a homozygous IBL again?!

Sure! You just have to work with it and each successive generation just remove all plants showing traits that you don't want. That's the primitive way of breeding. It's more precise to actually identify the genotype of each parent through test crosses, and to do this, you want to find plants that carry homozygous recessive traits. It's really complicated though... the Greg Green breeder's Bible is a GREAT resource for this stuff.

I was told by some one that NL was a F1 but has since been inbred so many times that it is a stable breeding strain.!

So it would therefore be considered a stabilized hybrid, and even and IBL.

Am I even on the right track here, or am i way off. thanks!

Naw you're on target. Word.

[Megatron]

Awesome!!! Thanks for that! SO yeah, thats what I thought to. If the two f1s are different enough then you could cross them and reasonably call them a F1. But not if there almost the same. i.e: NL from dutch passion crossed with NL from sensi seeds would only give you a F2 of NL. I like the fact that you can take some ones incredible F1 and inbreed it to a stable IBL that is good for breeding. I agree this would be very time consuming, but that how all the greats came to be. I want my name to live on for ever through a strain that gets recognized by the world. Maybe a cannabis cup contender. Sky is the limit if you know that i mean. Thanks again, laterz..

[stinkyattic]

We will call it MEGATRON and it shall stand like a monument to your madd skillz.

If the 2 F1s are different you still have a multiple-hybrid.
2 different SOURCES of a stabilized line SHOULD give you essentially the same plant, just worked in better. I'd do this to add vigor to an old line. I'm about to start working with this with my 2 lines of Alaskan Hippie Weed.
I'd also like to try backcrossing a line of VT hippie weed locally known as 'green lifesaver' which looks to have some strong NL heritage with its NL ancestor to bring it back into more of a houseplant, lol... she's a big wild untamed sasquatch beast atm... needs to be housebroken!

[Dr Goodbud]

that doesent sound like the OG kush the purple pheno?? I havent heard of that in OG but it could be what do i know it is defintaly in bubba it sounds like he has bubba kush buy thoses clones up can you post a pic if its a shitty yeilder but premo smoke its probably bubba even thow og is a shitty yeilder to ive only seen 1 grower in Cali take both bubba and OG to the next level getting record set yeilds he has 20+ years of growing experience thow

[horror business]

I was under the impression that a hermaphroditic Massachusetts Super Skunk pollinated Diesel (clone-only strain resulting from two Chem/Dawgs accidentally crossed) and of one of the seeds that was grown out was named Sour Diesel, and another seed was named OG Kush and from then on they were cloned, traded, and passed around to much acclaim. At least that's what the Cannabible says.

[Megatron]

Cool, cool all good info. I will talk to the grower this weekend to get as much info on the TRUE origin of this clone. He said that they average 4 oz per plant off of these clones grown DWC. I will have the actual clone in my hands next friday when i go down to San Antonio to pic it up. i will post pics, and all the new info I get regarding this strain. Im wondering now if they just took a wild guess on the name. Or possibly they got a real OGK clone, but crossed it with the male pollen of a purple strain, that is a high yielder.... we will see! Thanks!

[Megatron]

So I spoke with him today and we are going down to meet up and get the clone friday night. He said that he thinks it is a cross and not strait OG Kush. But he said that for sure it has OG Kush in it. He said it has very, very, VERY strong skunk odor when flowering and the bud formation is very dense and resinous. He said the only time the plant will turn complete purple is when the temps are dropped late in flowering. And that if you dont drop the temps, then only some of the calyxes will turn purple and the tips of the leaves. I will be sure to post pics on it when it flowers, and some this weekend of the mother im picking up on friday. He also said that the trichomes will frost the entire leaves all the way to the tips. Wish me luck, ill have the clone in my possession soon!!!

Oh and on a side note I started three different strains from a private breeder I know in Canada. I have started the following:

1. Blue Berry cross. (DJshort BB x dutch passion BB )

2. Ninja Kush (A Kush hybrid created by a guy called Ninja Pimp)

3. AK-48 (I think its a F2 of AK-47, but im not sure)

I plan on growing some mothers out of these to clone off of If they turn out good. Eventually going to breed my own strain, but not sure when that will be. laterz..