thanks hydro
well things are looking good,definately started flowering,loads of white hairs all over,found loads of holes over some of the leaves at the tops of plants but don't know what it was,couldn't see any pests through microscope,so just removed or trimmed affected leaves and it seems to have worked,new growth isn't effected
they're getting real tall but still not cleared the top of the fence which is good,the smaller plant in the small pot has been moved indoors under the 400w hps for flowering,just in case things go wrong outside
anyway some pics