take your crucifix and shove it- from the founding farthers

[juggalo420]

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
[James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785.]

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
[John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.]

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
[Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813.]

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
[Benjamin Franklin, from "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", Nov. 20, 1728.]

juggalo420 Reviewed by juggalo420 on 01-17-2005. take your crucifix and shove it- from the founding farthers "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and Rating: 5

[juggalo420]

well sounds like the founding farthers believed in separation of church and state, just a nice middle finger from the founding farthers to the religious right whose tryng to make the USA one nation under jesus christ.

[F L E S H]

It's funny when people say that the founding fathers were religious because they put God everywhere in their documents. While that is true, not many people know that during the 18th century, most, if not all, intellectuals did not consider themselves Christians at all, but rather 'deists', meaning that they believed in a greater spiritual being called God who set the creation of the universe in motion and then sat back and watched events unfold. The simile they themselves liked to use was that of God as a great clockmaker, who makes a beautiful and complicated clock which can sustain itself for eternity.

It's not the founding fathers who were ultra-Christians, it's the puritains.

[Delta9]

Son of Judas Bring the Sins to my revenge!!!!!!!

Holy Angle free me from the Burning Hell!!!!!!!

Resurection Bring Me Home!!!!!!!!!!

[bruiser]

what christianity has become is not the order of christ in fact everything he is they have done the opposite,so don't knock the truth....put it this way everything the church is,is what christ spoke agaist......just because men do eveil in his name doesn't mean christ agree's!..........infact he doesn't.

[Looker]

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