Haha, Dr. Phil kicked them offstage.

[slipknotpsycho]

i don't think any of us have a right to talk whether it's right or wrong (and don't take that as me defending the series)

i think it's really up to the 'bums' in all honesty... i mean shit like his spoof of steve irwin, unless it was planned is seriously fucked up, but otherwise, these people go along with it and they're happy to do so... and alot of people would do the same, people will do some dumb crazy shit to get on tv/dvd/be spread over the net.... (fame)

in all honesty i think it's up to them... and i've yet to see any bum only half way particpate, much less debate it....

[birdgirl73]

well in all honesty, the people don't want actual heartfelt advice about relationships and parenting and all that...

At least one of us did. . . . on the occasions when the show provided it!! I don't have to have the drama or the fighting or buffoonery (Dr. Phil himself). I suppose this is why perhaps I do better with well-written books instead, at least since his show has taken the Springerized turn.

[Nation_1ne]

i don't think any of us have a right to talk whether it's right or wrong (and don't take that as me defending the series)

I think we do have a right really.

i think it's really up to the 'bums' in all honesty... i mean shit like his spoof of steve irwin, unless it was planned is seriously fucked up, but otherwise, these people go along with it and they're happy to do so... and alot of people would do the same, people will do some dumb crazy shit to get on tv/dvd/be spread over the net.... (fame)

in all honesty i think it's up to them... and i've yet to see any bum only half way particpate, much less debate it....

How is it upto the bums? Most of them are constantly drunk and are elderly men. Some of those bums have now gone through rehab and feel used, exposed, and utterly ashamed because they were given alchol to feed their addiction in return for doing stupid stunts. I'm sorry but that is in no way right.

[slipknotpsycho]

well i never knew any of that.... (the rehab and shit part)

as for the rest i still stand by what i said... for the ones that don't really care and just see the money and fame, who are we to really stand in the way.... i mean afterall... everyone of us here believes someone else shouldn't be in charge of making our decisions on what's right or healthy...

or do you wanna be just like the govt. and every other high ranking council and do the whole double standard thing.. where it's ok to say one thing, then on another subject do the exact opposite...?

[birdgirl73]

I have to agree with you, Nation 1ne. I think such exploitation of the bums is the lowest of the low. But in all honesty, I think Phil McGraw exploits situations, too, as someone else said. He simply does it a slight bit higher up the food chain. Ethically/morally, both situations are troubling, aren't they? At least for the exploitees.

[Nation_1ne]

as for the rest i still stand by what i said... for the ones that don't really care and just see the money and fame, who are we to really stand in the way.... i mean afterall... everyone of us here believes someone else shouldn't be in charge of making our decisions on what's right or healthy...

I'm sorry but that's obviously not the case. I'm willing to believe that all of them bums are alcoholics or have some form of addiction. None of them guys are doing it because they think it's a good old laugh. Also, them bums are hardly in a position to turn down the money.

or do you wanna be just like the govt. and every other high ranking council and do the whole double standard thing.. where it's ok to say one thing, then on another subject do the exact opposite...?

Sorry what? Wanna tell me where I'm being a hypocrite exactly? Bullshit comment.

[slipknotpsycho]

why the hell are you trying to argue with me anyways? is it becuaes i'm the only one who will respond, if you're so appaled by it, why don't you write the creator...?

as for this i'm done. i said what i have to say on the subject and i stand by it.

if you can't see how it's hypocritical then i misjudged you, because it's pretty obvious how.

[Nation_1ne]

why the hell are you trying to argue with me anyways? is it becuaes i'm the only one who will respond

Ermmm, if you look back mate I think you'll find you're the one who approached me. I said this is morally wrong and you challenged that statement. N' of course it because you're the only one who responded, it would be rude to ignore you.

if you're so appaled by it, why don't you write the creator...?

What? If that's the case then why bother having a forum that debates issues if we can all just write letters to the creators.

if you can't see how it's hypocritical then i misjudged you, because it's pretty obvious how.

No, it's not obvious that's the problem. Please point it out because I don't think you can.

I have to agree with you, Nation 1ne. I think such exploitation of the bums is the lowest of the low. But in all honesty, I think Phil McGraw exploits situations, too, as someone else said. He simply does it a slight bit higher up the food chain. Ethically/morally, both situations are troubling, aren't they? At least for the exploitees.

I'm glad you agree Birdy, it is a low form of exploitation. You're right Dr. Phil does exploit situations, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as disturbing as bum fights as you've said.

[slipknotpsycho]

I'm glad you agree Birdy, it is a low form of exploitation. You're right Dr. Phil does exploit situations, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as disturbing as bum fights as you've said.

um...i would.... have you seen some of his shows? rape victims, people who were almost killed by their spouse.... ??

that's just as disturbing as getting some desperate guy to eat a frog or run headfirst into one of those steel boxes that house electrical circuits near traffic lights....

actually to be honest i'd say dr. phil's exploitation is even higher.... hmm... rape victim or desperate bum....

[Nation_1ne]

um...i would.... have you seen some of his shows? rape victims, people who were almost killed by their spouse.... ??

that's just as disturbing as getting some desperate guy to eat a frog or run headfirst into one of those steel boxes that house electrical circuits near traffic lights....

actually to be honest i'd say dr. phil's exploitation is even higher.... hmm... rape victim or desperate bum....

What the hell? I never justified Dr. Phils actions. N' I'm sorry but no, rape victims have more sense and self control than a bum who is an alcoholic and living rough on the street. Not only that Dr. Phils methods are a lot more ethical as Birdy put it, it also helps raise awareness and an understanding of how these criminals affect peoples lives.

All I said was Bum Fights is morally wrong, regardless if you like Dr. Phil or not. You tell me how that says I believe Dr. Phils actions are justified?