I haven't started the lowryders yet. I'm going to be gone for a couple of weeks next month which won't work for just budding plant. I went 12/12 on a 400W HPS set up I got in a 8x4x3 foot closet with some shit called Dutch Nebula a couple of weeks ago and I got to say it blows the CFLs away. I just finished cureing what I got from my White Widdow in the Phototron and it's well over an oz. but the buds are not very compact. Still and oz. is an oz. and it is the cripto. If you got the room I would veg in the phototron and bud with the HPS. Cycle that through and you'll have mass killer buds all the time.