why would religous ppl not believe in Evolution

[Hardcore Newbie]

well, given the fact that Jesus was an actual person, it isnt surprising that he has been quoted as saying several things, I'm sure that the many translations switched the words up pretty good. I think most christians will agree though that jesus first said the Eli lama stuff, then commended his spirit to god, then died. Also, the vinegar the last one is refering to was (I believe) the roman guards mocking him and refusing to give him water, just vinegar.

I think that all of the jesus quotes are in fact true; he got pissed at god, asked god to take care of his spirit (was given vinegar at some point, it is hard to be sure when) then said "it is done" and died. I believe all of the above happened, and I am pretty sure that most christians accept all of the above as well (it isnt really a stretch, i mean if you wanna split hairs do it with somthing more "magical" then Jesus's last words). If you wish to debate jesus's divinity, go ahead, but it is an actual historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified by the romans.

If in fact all 3 recollections are correct, all 3 people would be very bad story tellers. If 3 people recorded 3 different things happening upon Jesus' death, and the recollections are all correct, that means that each of the men failed to report on 2/3rds of the event. If this is the case, what else did they miss?

Personally, it's hard to believe that all three events happened, when each writer specifically states (paraphrased) "Jesus did _______ and then gave up the ghost".
It doesn't read as "Jesus did ______, and then some other stuff, but Luke and John got my back, so read about what else he said in their chapters. Then he gave up the ghost".

[LegalizeTheGreen]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.

[Hardcore Newbie]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.

I think discussing an idea is a little more open to interpretation than "Jesus said this". Thus, the public is speculating on ideas and reasons, not directly observable absolutes. I highly doubt that Matt, Luke and John were being fed propaganda about Jesus' death, which they were all witness to (from what i remember).

Also, I was saying if indeed they did have different recollections of the event, what else are they individually leaving out in their stories, purposefully or not.

Imagine if there were another story recollecting Jesus' death, we'll call it the book of Ernie. Ernie recalled Jesus' passing as such: "I'm just kidding ya'll, it was fun while it lasted" as he gave everyone *the finger*, and passed on the ghost". It doesn't directly conflict with the other stories, as that may have happened as well. How odd tho that none of the last words recalled from any of the story tellers overlap each other.

[DarkHairedSativa]

I just wanted to add, DarkHairedSativa, I see what you meant about insults. But that wasnt an insult, simply a fact that he himself admitted to me openly on another thread.

Oh I see ....ok sorry then when I can do rep for you again I will...sorry 'bout that.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

isn't it possible that they found different aspects of the same story more important, and thus decided to point out some parts (like Jesus asking god why he had forsaken him in matts case) more so then others (jesus commending his spirit). Also, Matt and Luke I believe have nearly identical accounts. Matt just wrote that jesus yelled, while luke wrote what he yelled.

You also should realize that the extremly short passage given to jesus's actual death (not even a whole page in a very long book) would not include every single detail about his death, simply the details the author found most relavent. Perhaps they simply wrote about what they found most important. It isnt like they were writing a documentary or anything, their stories were collected long after they were dead and turned into the bible, they wern't writting for the bible

Regardless, In the christian faith, it isnt so much about how he died as how he lived. I honestly could care less if he said "fuck ya'll, I'm going to live with my dad", what is important is the example he set while he was alive.

so yea, i think we hijacked this thread enough, lets get back to evolution rofl!
(btw, I am a devout supporter of evolution)

[stinkyattic]

In the christian faith, it isnt so much about how he died as how he lived. I honestly could care less if he said "fuck ya'll, I'm going to live with my dad", what is important is the example he set while he was alive.

I wish this were the case, but much emphasis is placed upon the reincarnation. I think it would be far better to focus on the man as a teacher and stop worrying about which version of his death and rebirth we are going to believe.

But yeah... back to evolution eh!?

[LegalizeTheGreen]

yea, back to evolution! It is a hoax perpetrated by dumb liberals that planted fossils in a devious plot to overthrow the church and bring about a world of anarchy and sex with animals!

If you look close, you can see the "made in china" engraving on them! They are fake!

The world is only 6 thousand years old too!

[palerider7777]

I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant... I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.


Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too

But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:

my point exactly that is how i believe, but im a troll so...

[palerider7777]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.

if u asked 3 diffrent american's why we were in iraq u would get 10 diffrent answers not just 3 lol

[palerider7777]

Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.

And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.[/

well statistically speaking, u may not have enough statistics on that. as there was alot of deformed kids/people back then, i read books and i think the history channel or one of those t.v shows had a show on tracing down where viking's trade routes were, and went to and they were traced down into asia. and all over the world and they found a main trade route in asia, and found where they had kids that were deformed and they would just leave them to die or sometimes buried them together. and also there's proof of all the plauges that would deform back then so statistically there were more defromed than there are today.