Quote Originally Posted by natureisawesome

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It does indeed answer with facts. The question you asked was about who created God or where did God comes from. The article directly answers that from a biblical perspective. If God exists, how would you expect someone to show you eternity??? Should I just send it to you in a box or something?

The article pointed out that everything that has a beginning has a cause. The universe had a beginning and therefore must have had a first cause. God does not need a cause because he never had a beginning. He's been forever and ever.

The article also uses other scientific facts to show that the universe cannot expand forever, that according to the laws of thermodynamics the universe cannot continue forever it will slow down to a dead stop, even in an oscillating universe "Each one of the hypothetical cycles would exhaust more and more usable energy. This means every cycle would be larger and longer than the previous one, so looking back in time there would be smaller and smaller cycles. So the multicycle model could have an infinite future, but can only have a finite past."

It points out that "there are many lines of evidence showing that there is far too little mass for gravity to stop expansion and allow cycling in the first place" and that "the universe still has only about half the mass needed for re-contraction"


Also, very importantly it points out "that Finally, no known mechanism would allow a bounce back after a hypothetical ??big crunch??.7 As the late Professor Beatrice Tinsley of Yale explained, even though the mathematics says that the universe oscillates, ??There is no known physical mechanism to reverse a catastrophic big crunch.?? Off the paper and into the real world of physics, those models start from the Big Bang, expand, collapse, and that??s the end.8"


It points out several other things as well. I guess it's easy for you to blow off the evidence I've provided when the material is off site.

Listen, according to the laws of the universe, according to every scientific experiment ever conducted by a human being, every effect has a cause. But that only applies in the physical universe. God is outside of time. He created time. He's beyond our full comprehension. People are saying how it's all too much for us to grasp. Well there it is. God is too much for us too grasp. But at the same time in his wisdom and his all mighty power he gave us a comprehension of God.



no. because ultimately the cause of the big bang would have a previous cause and it would in the end have to have an original cause. That's just the natural laws that exist. If we had no understanding of natural laws then that might be a consideration. But according to all of the scientific evidence ever recorded, every cause has an effect.

And I would really like someone to answer the quote about the universe not being a banana. Particularly this statement:

This universe can??t have any properties to explain its preferential coming into existence, because it wouldn??t have any properties until it actually came into existence."

Think of the order in the universe. All the natural laws that hold things together and keep everything from being absolutel chaos. I think we take that for granted. If there is no God keeping order in the heavens and the universe just happened, then there is no reason to believe that the coming to be of the universe is any more to be expected than the big bang producing a gallon of ice cream.

Right there!!! I understand what the bible says, but all the bible says is that god always was, and he magically doesn't apply to every other thing in existence. So what evidence is there to make me believe that God always was and created this universe as opposed to matter always being here, we just might only know the big bang as the beginning and before that everything in the universe was just sitting in space and then after the big bang life just came to be, because there just always was a potential for life to come into existence, but it didn't because it had nowhere to go. Of course that's illogical, but that same argument can be applied to god just always existing.