wtf happened before the big bang?

[Mr. Clandestine]

So it is not right to say that there is "absolutely no explanation as to how this infinitely dense blob of matter just happened to appear in the middle of a great void of time and space." It arose as a vacuum fluctuation.

I apologize, I should have said "there's no empirical data that proves how this infinitely dense blob of matter happened to appear in the midst of a great void of time and space".

I know there are many hypothetical situations, and some of them can be defined very well by quantum physics, astronomical physics, etc., but for many people, my hypothetical scenario for the origin of the universe works just as well. My scenario being: "A Creator spoke it into existence." Maybe I'm just simple minded (I'm definitely no quantum physicist! ), but this scenario makes the most sense to me.

I have a hard time trusting science on some of these issues, because most of the time, science simply makes educated guesses based on other educated guesses. And that which cannot be observed and replicated isn't science. In this case, it's speculation on an infinitely grand scale.

Thank you, though, for your feedback. It's always interesting for me to read what others think about the matter. It certainly is a broad, but monumental, topic.

[Psycho4Bud]

and thought what happened before the big bang?

Foreplay of course.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

I know there are many hypothetical situations, and some of them can be defined very well by quantum physics, astronomical physics, etc., but for many people, my hypothetical scenario for the origin of the universe works just as well. My scenario being: "A Creator spoke it into existence." Maybe I'm just simple minded (I'm definitely no quantum physicist! ), but this scenario makes the most sense to me.

There is nothing in quantum physics or any cosmological theory that says that a Creator did not "speak it into existence." The physics addresses How the universe came into being --- the physical mechanism and process. Your answer is a possible explanation for Why.

To my mind the two explanations answer different questions. To a physicist, a Creator is not necessary to understanding how the process unfolded. And to anyone who believes in a Creator, physics is not important to why the universe came into being. It is certainly possible to believe in both. A person could easily believe that a Creator spoke the universe into existence, and the Big Bang is how that universe came into being.

[stinkyattic]

Foreplay of course.

Oh you SUCK I was gonna post that lol!!!

[Mr. Clandestine]

There is nothing in quantum physics or any cosmological theory that says that a Creator did not "speak it into existence." The physics addresses How the universe came into being --- the physical mechanism and process. Your answer is a possible explanation for Why.

I can agree with this stance. And I can also admit that I could stand to be more educated on the facts behind the Big Bang. It's just difficult for me, as someone who's really never needed to place much faith or emphasis in the theories and facts, to accept it as infallible. I can see why some scientists and physicists would need to press the issue, as their reputation and livelihoods may very well depend on their answer. Luckily, though, these restrictions don't apply in my profession(s).

I'd love to know beyond a shadow of a doubt - without theories or speculation, just the facts - exactly what happened in the beginning (and "wtf happened before" ). I'm just not sure that I'll find out in this lifetime... but I'm fine with that, too.

[dragonrider]

My scenario being: "A Creator spoke it into existence."

If you believe these two...

Foreplay of course.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Oh you SUCK I was gonna post that lol!!!

... the Creator did not so much "speak it into existence" as he did spooge it into existence.

This is an excellent theory! All the universe is the result of a cosmic orgasm. After an delicious dinner, a good bottle of wine, some soft music, warm candle light, nice foreplay, and some sweet, sweet lovin' the universe just "came" into existence. Our existence will last until the sheets are washed.

It's just difficult for me, as someone who's really never needed to place much faith or emphasis in the theories and facts, to accept it as infallible.

It is not infallible. Science always holds open the possibility that the theory is incomplete. In the case of Cosmology and the origin of the universe, no one clamis the physics is complete yet. But science rests on the principle that the mechanisms of the universe are knowable. So they will continue to work on it.

I can see why some scientists and physicists would need to press the issue, as their reputation and livelihoods may very well depend on their answer. Luckily, though, these restrictions don't apply in my profession(s).

I don't think it is livelihood and reputation that drives scientists. Those factors drive all people to some degree, but I think scientists mostly just want to know.

I'd love to know beyond a shadow of a doubt - without theories or speculation, just the facts - exactly what happened in the beginning (and "wtf happened before" ). I'm just not sure that I'll find out in this lifetime... but I'm fine with that, too.

We might never know beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened at the exact moment of the Big Bang, but we have faith that we could know. As for "before" I think it will be a long time before we will understand that. It's hard to even have a concept of "before" when even time itself began at that moment. What happened before time began? Where was everything before space existed? We don't even have ways to ask those questions that make sense.

[Mr. Clandestine]

If you believe these two...

Man, are you kidding me? I log on frequently just to deliberately find posts by these two. Never fails to brighten my day!

We might never know beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened at the exact moment of the Big Bang, but we have faith that we could know. As for "before" I think it will be a long time before we will understand that. It's hard to even have a concept of "before" when even time itself began at that moment. What happened before time began? Where was everything before space existed? We don't even have ways to ask those questions that make sense.

Very true. We don't have ways to accurately address many of these questions, but that's certainly not going to prevent us from trying. These topics always prove to be mind expanding, even if no solid conclusions can be reached... they're still relevant, and still a lot of fun to discuss.

Take care!

[boaz]

this may have been mentioned in this thread already, but i believe there is one theory that the big bang happens over and over again. we have a big bang, the universe expands for few gazillion years, then it slows and starts to retract until it is again is one large mass of energy, at which point it explodes again, and batta bing batta boom, a big bang happens. thus time is recycled, as is all things in nature. :stoned:

[stinkyattic]

This is an excellent theory! All the universe is the result of a cosmic orgasm. After an delicious dinner, a good bottle of wine, some soft music, warm candle light, nice foreplay, and some sweet, sweet lovin' the universe just "came" into existence. Our existence will last until the sheets are washed..

^^^^Siggy material right there man. I might have to make some room!^^^^

Your theory reminds me of this hysterical pr0n I watched last night- I think it was called 'Sex Trek'- think Saturday Night Live Star Trek spoof sketch with worse acting, cheaper sets, and even CHEAPER fake boobs- You've got to see it.

Being a devout follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I am going for visualizing the Big Bang occurring after a nice meal of Campanelle al carciofo, a Sylvester Stallone movie, and a nice bottle of Chianti...

[dragonrider]

Man, are you kidding me? I log on frequently just to deliberately find posts by these two. Never fails to brighten my day!

They do keep it entertaining, don't they?

^^^^Siggy material right there man. I might have to make some room!^^^^

Your theory reminds me of this hysterical pr0n I watched last night- I think it was called 'Sex Trek'- think Saturday Night Live Star Trek spoof sketch with worse acting, cheaper sets, and even CHEAPER fake boobs- You've got to see it.

Being a devout follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I am going for visualizing the Big Bang occurring after a nice meal of Campanelle al carciofo, a Sylvester Stallone movie, and a nice bottle of Chianti...

Ha ha! Glad you liked the "theory" --- it was your and P4B's idea taken to it's absurd conclusion.

As for "Sex Trek", that sounds like something right up my alley. I like all things Trek, especially with extra "cheese."