here are some of my guns

[sawleaf]

Sawleaf, I give up. I was looking some facts up on the internet earlier (its my day-off, so I was bored lol), and i've found convincing arguements for both sides - some saying that gun control causes more gun crime, and some saying that less gun control equates to more gun crime. So who knows? Maybe if guns were illegal in the US, there would be less gun crime than there is now, maybe there would be more - theres no way to tell, you cant erase history and start over. I'm gonna have to change my position and sit on the fence for this one. I'm not saying that i've changed my opinion on guns: I still dislike them, just as I dislike knives, police, and Vanilla flavoured ice-cream. But maybe I was wrong when I said 'more guns = more crime'. Again, who knows? Its the same thing for the ''Legalisation of Cannabis will cause more Cannabis use' or 'Legalisation of Cannabis will reduce Cannabis use'' debate. No one will ever know. You can change the laws, or you can keep them the same, but you cant change whats happened in the past, and you cant just start over.

One more thing... I dont know why everyone seems to think that I hate America and Americans. I said that America has more guns and more gun crime than most places; I was using it as an example. I also said, judging by the amount of gun-crime, I wouldnt like to live in America because i'm safer here - even the police dont carry guns, I dont even think they own any.. But I didnt say I dislike America or Americans, and i'll enver say that, because its not true. So, yeah..

Oh I never said you hate America Ghost. I know there is no way to prove that guns cause or lessen crime really. Statistics show that they do both. I guess it really depends on the people and people are different everywhere. I never really try to argue the crime thing much, because there is too much facts for both sides. My view on firearm ownership is pretty much that you should be able to own what you want as long as you are responsible. I think punishment for misuse of a firearm should actually be stricter than it is currently. Ran across this news article on CNN.com this morning while reading the news. Was strange because it was right after I posted my last post on this thread. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/26/sto....ap/index.html

[GHoSToKeR]

Woot! Finally someone whos managed to reply to one of my posts without the words "Fuck you" being in the reply. lol

That news article is interesting. Its strange to me, though. I mean, sure the burglars were posing a threat, and sure, the old couple were protecting themselves, but I find it wierd how people always value their own life over everyones elses. It comes back to that 'kill or be killed' thing, I guess.

[braindead]

how come im the only person that doesnt like guns? i thought stoners were cool, but most people on this site are all into guns and knives and shit

I hate guns, and the inbreds who own them

[braindead]

So you are saying we should listen to a government that lies to us and give up our firearms? Why should we have a government that is corrupt and let it disarm it's own people? I believe the people should always have more power than the government. We are becoming more and more oppressed everyday here. Just more of a reason to arm yourself in my eyes. If you regard the facts more closely and look at individual states in the US, you will see that the high crime areas are the areas with the strictest gun control laws. States with low gun control have significantly lower crime rates than states where guns are heavily restricted. Look at our nation's capitol, Washington DC, high crime rate, you can't even own pepper spray there, yet there are gang shootings all the time and people dying there every day on the news. If you choose to defend yourself there you are automatically a criminal. Is this okay with you Ghost???

Yes people who "defend themselves" with guns are criminals. Its that way in every other nation in the world. Only you american cowboys think the answer to crime is start shooting. Thats a backward and ignorant attitude. People have guns in canada, aus, nz, but in all those countries its illegal to use them as self defence, unless its an animal attacking you. I dont care if a gang breaks in and rapes your wife, shooting them adds to the problem of crime.
As for the whole "we gun owners are keeping the government in check" argument, thats absurd. Every iraqi is allowed to have an ak-47 and it hasnt help them defnd themselves from evil american government. Your little gun isnt going to shit against the FBI ATF and whoever else uncle sam wants to sick on your ass.
Its moronic to say states with gun control laws have more crime. Thats why guns were banned there, the high crime. No place bans guns and then the criminals go on a spree, that doesnt happen except in an nra pamplet. You need to ban guns america wide, thats the only way. You cant sell guns in one town and ban them in the next one, but you can make them much harder to get by banning them nation wide. It works everywhere else in the world, but you guys dont much about that place out there.
And i hate americans so fuck you and your guns

[GHoSToKeR]

"that doesnt happen except in an NRA pamphlet". LOL, I like that

[NowhereMan]

Yes people who "defend themselves" with guns are criminals. Its that way in every other nation in the world. Only you american cowboys think the answer to crime is start shooting. Thats a backward and ignorant attitude. People have guns in canada, aus, nz, but in all those countries its illegal to use them as self defence, unless its an animal attacking you. I dont care if a gang breaks in and rapes your wife, shooting them adds to the problem of crime.
As for the whole "we gun owners are keeping the government in check" argument, thats absurd. Every iraqi is allowed to have an ak-47 and it hasnt help them defnd themselves from evil american government. Your little gun isnt going to shit against the FBI ATF and whoever else uncle sam wants to sick on your ass.
Its moronic to say states with gun control laws have more crime. Thats why guns were banned there, the high crime. No place bans guns and then the criminals go on a spree, that doesnt happen except in an nra pamplet. You need to ban guns america wide, thats the only way. You cant sell guns in one town and ban them in the next one, but you can make them much harder to get by banning them nation wide. It works everywhere else in the world, but you guys dont much about that place out there.
And i hate americans so fuck you and your guns

on your level of intellect

maybe you can understand this ya brainless twit

the best part of you ran out the crack ya mamma's ass and stained a back seat of taxi


my gun owning american southern attitude dont like your racist crap
and yes that racist towards americans
if you dont see that go back to 3rd grade

[GHoSToKeR]

the best part of you ran out the crack ya mamma's ass and stained a back seat of taxi

That speaks for itself, really. Nowhereman, I didnt know you were such a stupid piece of shit. You call somebody racist, and try and act all high and mighty, and then say that in the same sentence. I wouldnt start talking about anybodies intellect, if I were you; you dont wanna embarrass yourself.

Uh oh, are you gonna threaten to 'kick my lil punk ass' now?

Hahahaaha

[Ammie]

Yes, Ghost I must agree Vanilla flavoured ice-cream is to be disliked!!!

unlike Roger Rabbit now hes cool, do ya'll remember "Who framed Roger Rabbit"???!?!?!?!!?!?

w000000000t now Jessica Rabbit was hotness

gotta love them sexy cartoons


anyone wanna play pattycake

[slipnslide087]

dude, first off braindead QUOTE: "I hate guns, and the inbreds who own them"-fuck you. man statistics are bullshit. you cant just go country to country and look at their crime rates and shit.......a whole bunch of other shit goes into play when coming up with these statistics (bullshit), bc thats what statisctics are. did you ever take into effect the population percentages of these countries too??? because that would give you a lot more accurate of a statistic. thats cool you wouldnt shoot a guy if he came in your house and raped your wife......well guess what....i would blow the fuck out o f him. i would use every fucking round in the gun, and just in case he lived, i would shoot his balls off. oh, and, do you think that nobody where you live would do that?? or is it bc its against the law,,,,dont you think any of them would love to do that?? you fuckin bet they would. -we can only shoot people in life threatening situations (very broad category) or if they are in our house and not supposed to be, like if they intend to KILL ME or take some of my shit. they know they run that risk man. its not like a fucking surprise.

QUOTE: braindead says :"Yes people who "defend themselves" with guns are criminals. Its that way in every other nation in the world. Only you american cowboys think the answer to crime is start shooting. Thats a backward and ignorant attitude. People have guns in canada, aus, nz, but in all those countries its illegal to use them as self defence, unless its an animal attacking you. I dont care if a gang breaks in and rapes your wife, shooting them adds to the problem of crime."-- dude, you know why its fair, and why if someone breaks in my house, i would decide my life over theirs is??? they know they run the risk before they even broke in. If they are going to run that risk to steal few pricy electronics, then that was THEIR conscious decision. its kind of like they signed a waiver or something......

braindead QUOTE: "Every iraqi is allowed to have an ak-47 and it hasnt help them defnd themselves from evil american government." - WHAT THE FUCK!!!????
are you serious man??? haha, well if you are, then SHUT THE FUCK UP, i dont feel i need to explain myself on that one.

QUOTE: braindead says: "And i hate americans so fuck you and your guns"

dude...............shut the fuck up man.........just do it......youre too damn opinionated to bring back a valid argument............just stop........peace

but FUCK YOU braindead

[sawleaf]

Yes people who "defend themselves" with guns are criminals. Its that way in every other nation in the world. Only you american cowboys think the answer to crime is start shooting. Thats a backward and ignorant attitude. People have guns in canada, aus, nz, but in all those countries its illegal to use them as self defence, unless its an animal attacking you. I dont care if a gang breaks in and rapes your wife, shooting them adds to the problem of crime.
As for the whole "we gun owners are keeping the government in check" argument, thats absurd. Every iraqi is allowed to have an ak-47 and it hasnt help them defnd themselves from evil american government. Your little gun isnt going to shit against the FBI ATF and whoever else uncle sam wants to sick on your ass.
Its moronic to say states with gun control laws have more crime. Thats why guns were banned there, the high crime. No place bans guns and then the criminals go on a spree, that doesnt happen except in an nra pamplet. You need to ban guns america wide, thats the only way. You cant sell guns in one town and ban them in the next one, but you can make them much harder to get by banning them nation wide. It works everywhere else in the world, but you guys dont much about that place out there.
And i hate americans so fuck you and your guns

What's really moronic is this post of yours. It is obvious that it is just your opinion that you are posting and nothing else. Look up crime statistics in high gun control states before you spout off idiotic shit like this. Gun control works in some places and doesn't work in others. But here in the USA, it doesn't work. Australia's crime rate is on the rise since they enacted their gun laws. I guarantee that if a gang broke into your house and raped your wife, you'd shoot them if you were armed. Nobody wants to be another victim. I do hope that never happens to you also, even though you seem to hate a lot of people you have never met. Every Iraqi is armed, but they are too damn pussy and divided to overthrow Saddam. Look what a few armed people did at Waco, they did outgun the ATF and hold them off. Too bad they were trapped in a building and the feds burned them all up. So if people choose to defend themselves with guns, then they are criminals in your eyes. So what if they choose knifes, clubs, fists? Where do you draw the line? Are people even allowed to defend themselves at all in your eyes? You know, don't even answer this. You've already shown what type of person you are with such a ridiculous, hatefilled, stereotypical, ignorant post. You truely are Braindead.