Any Wiccans or Pagans

[Belleza]

<<<<<<pagan and proud of it too!

[LilRedDevil]

Well I don't call myself either I do however follow a Pagan path. Not sure yet what I wanna be when I grow up ~lol~ Anyway ~Blessid Be~ Wiccan's/Pagan's

[SheDevil]

I follow the pagan path as well...as for the black magick and white magick there isn't a difference. Black magick just doesn't exist it is just energy that is either used negatively or positively towards a person.

[kraloth]

see no one had the guts to say shit about my post about three fold cuz the people that have dunn magic for ages no im rite and newbs to magic just sont know if im rite or wrong in magic if ur minds all twisted up spells can go rong or not work u got to know wot ur doing with the spell curse bless wot ever

[jacquelyne]

Well none really i follow what i like or believe in myself.The Pagans originally celebrated Christmas.The worship of a dying God like man who is resurrected, ascends into heaven and brings salvation to mankind was also the core of a number of ancient Pagan religions that began two thousand years before jesus. Christianity also borrowed parts of jesus mythology likethe virgin birth, the miracles including turning water into wine, walking on water, and especially healing the sick.were all elements of pre-Christian Pagan religions.So if i had to choose i would say pagan because i believe in that more than my own religion as it seems my religion was based upon that anyways

[SheDevil]

You are so right jac, being a wiccan and pagan means that there are no right or wrong answers to things. Because it is a solitary path and you choose what you want to believe or not. Pretty much like the rule of three it can apply to you or not. Though it mostly applies to wiccans a religion created during the 1930's and 40's.

The reason why Christians borrowed so many pagan holidays and such is because most of the Pagans had converted into Christianity though they still practiced pagan traditions because Christianity was new back then (and a new religion you don't know the rules right?). Though some chose to stay true pagans.

[Belleza]

yeah but what pisses me off is that Christians borrowed our traditions, then all of a sudden, we're the one's working for satan, and we're the evil ones. dayum! wtf is that about??

[SheDevil]

Yeah, when in truth most Christians back then used to be pagans (ironic huh?) even the priests would practice herb medicine and would often times give out poisons at the right price back then. The reason that they think we're with satan is because of the devil worshippers they too took some of our traditions such as rituals but did it to a point where they would sacrifice animals and such, they turned out religion upside down and gave it a name. Hell they even took the likeness of the horned lord and made it into Satan. Another example is the upside down pentagram (that many think that it is bad when it isn't) which is used to banish evil spirits. -shakes her head-

They were the ones that gave us a bad name.

Besides Christianity has been bastardized to such a point (not to offend any christians in this board) where they hide history and books that are supposed to be in the bible but aren't just because it might be blasphemous to the catholic church and the protestants. I just find that amusing that they preach stuff about the truth when they hide most of it, like bible cencorship or something. AND not to mention that what people fail to understand they usually fear it thus, thinks its bad.

[SheDevil]

When Christianity first arrived there was no real change. The people viewed the Mother/Child/Sacrificial King of the Christ mythos as simply another version of their own earlier tales. The mythology of the Goddess cycle with Consort/Mother/Child was often adjusted by conquering Patriarchies.The Priest of the new Christian Religion would often work with the Priest of the Old Religion in the celebrating of seasonal rites. The early groups of the Old Religion (the covens) became known as the benders and shapers of the subtle forces that they had knowledge of. They became known as the "Wit", "Witta", "Wicca", "Wicce",or "Vitki", Irish, Anglo Saxon and Germanic words respectively meaning " to bend or shape". During the 12th and 13th century many temples were built for this new religions' Goddess "Mary." By now Pope Gregory The Great decided to make an attempt to mass convert to Christianity. He did this by building new Christian churches over ancient pagan worshiping sites. He was somewhat successful since the artisans who built the churches were most often pagans. Because of this many of the churches to this date can be seen full of Green Men, quarter guardians and pentacles.

At this time the Church began to truly realize how difficult a rival the Horned God and Fertility Goddess were in their created battle for followers. The early Old Religion had a much more attractive P.R. package than the religion of Christianity with all of its restrictions. Christianity incorporated this information when creating the concept of a totally evil opponent to their own deity. It was no accident that this figure resembled the Horned God. Poetry and the music of the Goddess were still widespread compensating the peoples need for the Goddess in some manner. Pope Gregory also instituted the first Papal Bull in 1233.

In 1324, an Irish coven led by Dame Alice Kyteler was tried by the Bishop of Ossory for worshiping a Non-Christian god. Dame Kyteler was saved because of her title but the rest of her group were burned for heresy. During the next centuries' wars, plagues and crusades advanced over Europe. Joan of Arc lead the armies of France to victory. She was popularly bruited as a sorceress and originally alleged a witch, but she was officially condemned as a heretic and was burned at the stake on May 30, 1431, as a relapsed heretic. This fact indicates the embryonic stages of Witchcraft accusations, when in 1431 it was much simpler to secure a conviction for heresy rather than sorcery. Unfortunately within the century the reverse would be true.

During this time the stability of the Medieval Church was shaken and the feudal system was breaking down. The Christian Church was swept by religious revolts that Church felt it could no longer tolerate. In 1494 The Papal Bull of Innocent the VIII unleashed the inquisition against the Old Religion. Issued on December 5, 1494, it served as justification for pitiless persecution. It instituted the of combating the "Devil" and saving mankind from "his" clutches. (Three earlier Bulls"Sixtus 4th," were the first to equate sorcery and black magic with heresy, thereby facilitating the task of the Witch hunters. 1473, 1478 & 1483). In 1486 the Malleus Maleficarum, "the Hammer of the Witches," was produced by Dominicans Kramer and Springer, two of Pope Innocent Inquisitors. This laid the ground work for a reign of terror that gripped Europe well into the 18th century. All of this indelibly equated the incorrect definition of the word Witch, created by the Christian Church, as a reality in the minds of many. During this period it is estimated that 9 million men, women and children were tortured, some estimate 85% of those were women and children. They were tortured and killed under this incorrect and convenient (for the Church) definition.


There that should probably explain it better than I can. But we shouldn't bash Christianity just because of its past miskakes.

[Belleza]

wow that pretty much says it all.