Logic, Experience, Order

[Inferius]

Thanks Coelho,
but the last two and a half years I've spent studying the dynamics of dreaming.
It's started to pick up the pace, and soon, I'm not coming back.

I've said it a million times man,
it's all the same idea.
The concept of dreaming is easier to understand on drugs because drugs give you a better sense of empathy, especially psychedelics.
Empathy is the same thing as personal power,
and when you have enough of it,
any movie, any story,
is enough to excite the same evolved spiritual truths.

Read someone else. Read Dr. Seuss.
Don Juan is a little too serious in his teachings,
it makes it sound like the powers that be are in some way not understanding.

But it's not the words he's trying to get across, those are just symbols.
The ideas behind the words...

Those are the gold.
Go for it.


Our destiny is right around the corner...

[Coelho]

Well... i did look the link you posted in another thread, about the 8-circuit model, and i think it is very interesting... i will read it again, more deeply, for try to understand. But it seemed to be very true.

Even if you are a master of dreaming, there is still another things to learn. In The Second Ring of Power, Castaneda talks about how to bring the perceptions and "powers" we have while dreaming, to the waking life, and thus achieve amazing deeds.
I keep suggesting for you to read the another books. You will lose nothing, and win a lot doing so.

And i understand perfectly what you mean about the personal power being empathy... even if i dont agree completly with this, i agree that we can understand, or rather, extract from everything (movies, histories, as you said), the essencial truths. For me, every day is a lesson. The world is an open book, for those who knows to read...

Hardcore Newbie, the things that there is in the Matrix and also in the don Juan teachings are not only the "common" phylosophy, the Plato's Cave and so... the books talk about more specifical things, like we humans being energy source for another kind of beings, the possibility of doing amazing things in the "real world"after you realize that its not "real", the possibility of the very essence of the universe being information (consciousness) instead energy and matter, and so...

I dont know what is the substance which inferius was under effect, but if he really did understood the world as the matrix, i hope he tell us what he discovered.