Should we unify science and spirituality?(Very Long)

[Coelho]

Nice text, pureevil! I understood it and i agree completly!
Anyway, i think you'll have a very hard time answering all the questions that will arise... unfortunately i prefer dont try to help you and answer some of them, due the reasons stated in my signature... but i wish you a LOT of patience, cause you surely will need it...

[Ganj]

You believe in science, and someone else believes in religion. Whatever a man or woman chooses to believe, he/she will live on with faith in their hearts for one mode of truth or the other.

[bhouncy]

At the end of the day we are all going to die and find out or not find out. In the meantime I'm going to feel great knowing that I know nothing. One person may have the answer. We all might have the right answer. But no one knows if they are right and I like it. It means there is still mystery in the world.

[PureEvil760]

What I know as truth are just short experiences where..i really cant explain but it was obviously truth and it obviously wasnt from the material plane of existence. bhouncy, you could find out before you die..which is the reason your here, or you could just repeat the re-incarnation process over and over and over and over and over and over..its really up to u

[bhouncy]

What I know as truth are just short experiences where..i really cant explain but it was obviously truth and it obviously wasnt from the material plane of existence. bhouncy, you could find out before you die..which is the reason your here, or you could just repeat the re-incarnation process over and over and over and over and over and over..its really up to u

How do you know?

[GraziLovesMary]

If you only read one paragraph read this one.

Who might bridge the gap between science and religion? Only those who refuse to be limited by existing doctrines and keep their minds open to a higher understanding. Only those who take a mystical approach to life. Therefore, if we are to unify science and religion, it must begin with the mystics. We will only see change when the scientific mystics and the spiritual mystics realize that they are following complimentary paths towards the same goal, the goal of experiencing reality instead of defining reality. Imagine what creative powers could be unleashed if the mystics started working together?

I would like to correct you and state that science will never, and should never, be mixed with religion.

HOWEVER, science will hopefully one day merge with SPIRITUALITY. Spirituality is the basis behind what religion began searching for. However they became lost in docrine and creed, and tradition turned to law. And it became RELIGION. Religion is man-made, and thus always subject to human imperfection. I refuse to follow something claiming divine knowledge that is clearly not divine.

My spirituality, however, ensures I retain an open mind and keep searching for every single aspect of the universe I havent thought of to question yet.

[bhouncy]

How do you know?

In fact scrap that question. You know because you do. I don't know because I know I know nothing. We are on different planets. Non believers are from Saturn believers are from Uranus. I think there's a book in there somewhere.. ahh well... life goes on... or at least that is what my senses are telling me.

[afghooey]

Are your thoughts real? What about the things you see when you dream? Are those images real? How about your emotions? Are they real?

These things are not material, but that doesn't mean they aren't real, does it? Whether the immaterial is a product of the material (or vice versa), while an interesting question in itself, is inconsequential to the point, which is that there is more to reality than the material.

As much as we've learned about physical reality, we don't know everything about it, and that has been the primary focus of human beings for much of history. About immaterial reality we know much less (at least in western cultures) because it often eludes the scientific method. Compared to the material it seems intangible and flimsy; therefore, we reject it as 'unreal', 'untrue'.

The immaterial does exist though, and clearly the material and immaterial are not only inseparable but interdependent; two sides of the same coin. There is no independently objective physical reality, because the physical universe is not unaffacted by 'immaterial' thoughts and observations. It's all one seamless process.

So, to the question in the title of the thread I would say: they're already unified. They just aren't acknowledged as such by those who reject the possible existence of yet unknown immaterial truths.

[Ganj]

I would like to correct you and state that science will never, and should never, be mixed with religion.

HOWEVER, science will hopefully one day merge with SPIRITUALITY. Spirituality is the basis behind what religion began searching for. However they became lost in docrine and creed, and tradition turned to law. And it became RELIGION. Religion is man-made, and thus always subject to human imperfection. I refuse to follow something claiming divine knowledge that is clearly not divine.

My spirituality, however, ensures I retain an open mind and keep searching for every single aspect of the universe I havent thought of to question yet.

"Believe those who are seeking truth. Doubt those who find it." -Andre Gide

Everything has gotten out-of-hand. Religion was conceptualized as means to enslave the human spirit in delusions of grandeur. Delusions, such as "heaven" and "hell." However, science is fundamentally flawed, too. It attempts to answer age-old questions but ultimately it lacks, where the "searchers" grow lazy and bewildered when they fail to unearth the roots of our existence. I cannot find spiritual fulfillment in science or religion, despite many attempts to conform to constitutional principles. Call it a skeptic's mind.

[Hardcore Newbie]

damn gotta bat these athiests away with a big stick or somthin lol if you dont understand and you want a "logical" answer, but not a spiritual logical answer than i would just have to decend to your lower way of thinking simply to answer pointless questions. You only choose to look at the material universe not reality but yes when it comes down to it it is all reality..im just separating what you think is real...and what really is real.

It is of my opinion that you're purposely trolling the spirituality boards. FACT.

You'd have to lower way of thinking to answer some questions? that doesn't even make sense when you're dealing with facts. Pointless questions? "He who questions well, learns well" I'm sure even you can appreciate that.

What I know as truth are just short experiences where..i really cant explain but it was obviously truth and it obviously wasnt from the material plane of existence.

While you were dealing with experiences that were not in the material plane, but true, and of course unexplainable, at least by you because you don't want to dumb down your thinking and explain it to us simpletons, I've managed to learn everything about the universe. It's well ... really hard to explain, but it is the truth (lolz duh) because it obviously happened. i had to learn it somehow but you guys probably wouldn't understand anyways because you're all idiots (lolz). Call it a symptom of humanity.