Quote Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
You're not really disagreeing with me cause you don't believe me. You can't be disagreeing that the Holy Ghost never leaves your heart cause you don't believe man could recieve the Spirit of God. Those that loose faith actually don't loose anything. If faith was not in their heart, what did they loose? Your definition of faith is someone putting their trust thinking something is true and then learning that it's not. So they lost "faith" in what they once felt was true.
But what was of substance and what evidence did that person posses that they no longer trust in?
I did disagree with you, because I never said anywhere that i didn't believe man could not receive the holy spirit. In fact, I went out of my way to say that this could be possible, even if it's something i consider highly unlikely.

I guess we'll have to disagree, as I still feel people can change their minds about anything, even if it's to do with faith. I still believe that one can lose faith. If you believe you've received The Holy Spirit, or even if you actually have, I believe you can always "rationalize" (for lack of a better word that doesn't assume that your beliefs are inferior to mine) it as a hallucination, or just a dream, or something that you wanted to see.
I believe that if someone has received the holy spirit, they can still "lose the evidence", so to speak. I believe, that people can change their opinion on anything, through the passing of time, and/or from acquiring new information. Whether newly acquired information is truth or not is of little importance. If a person has genuinely received the holy spirit, they can deem it to be false later. Maybe they've been dissatisfied with the way their life is turning, look for new information, and come to the conclusion that this baptism was in fact a trick by the spaghetti monster to poison their soul (in this religion, the spaghetti monster is a bad guy).

Through time and information, their perception of the exact same situation has changed. Even if the ideas and theologies within the Bible are 100% true, and someone has genuinely been baptized by the spirit, people are always free to change their mind (or heart, or soul). It wouldn't matter if the new information is a lie, it only matters if the follower believes it or not. People can be deceived, so it's fair to state that deception can take someone away from the truth.

For my own curiosity, what does the Bible say about how to go about getting this baptism of the Holy Spirit? Specific verses would be great.