ok listen here.......

[jdmarcus59]

You are right, it cannot be proven either true or false. But what it actually comes down to is a choice between buying into the greatest and most successful form of social control, or living free from such societal constraints.

living free? son what do you know about freedom.

[slipknotpsycho]

living free? son what do you know about freedom.

actually... that'd be daughter... not son..

[Pass That Shit]

Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
"either way i still stick with what i said earlier.... neither side can actually know... you either believe one way or the other, but no one actually KNOWS, as it's impossible to know... since there is no proof that he is, or isn't real. i stick to logic, opposed to faith."

I know you don't believe in God, but what you fail to realize is that your beliefs don't come from logic, they come from faith. You put your faith in what you have read and heard from other men. If it were by logic, there would be way more non-believers in the world.

[jdmarcus59]

actually... that'd be daughter... not son..

Iam sorry please forgive me.

[slipknotpsycho]

Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
"either way i still stick with what i said earlier.... neither side can actually know... you either believe one way or the other, but no one actually KNOWS, as it's impossible to know... since there is no proof that he is, or isn't real. i stick to logic, opposed to faith."

I know you don't believe in God, but what you fail to realize is that your beliefs don't come from logic, they come from faith. You put your faith in what you have read and heard from other men. If it were by logic, there would be way more non-believers in the world.

no faith is believing in something you cannot see hear taste feel prove etc....

logic would dictate since there is no proof, then there must be no god.

[jdmarcus59]

Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
"either way i still stick with what i said earlier.... neither side can actually know... you either believe one way or the other, but no one actually KNOWS, as it's impossible to know... since there is no proof that he is, or isn't real. i stick to logic, opposed to faith."

I know you don't believe in God, but what you fail to realize is that your beliefs don't come from logic, they come from faith. You put your faith in what you have read and heard from other men. If it were by logic, there would be way more non-believers in the world.

I belive in what I know and what I have seen.but it is a matter if faith, yes.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I know you don't believe in God, but what you fail to realize is that your beliefs don't come from logic, they come from faith. You put your faith in what you have read and heard from other men.

I'll quote someone else for a rebuttal to your "everything requires faith"

If a lack of belief in god requires faith, then it's no more faith than a lack of belief in everything else imaginary. In which case, God has no more credibility than the tooth fairy or the flying spagetti monster. It baffles me to this day that millions have now become convinced that "faith" not only applies to belief, but lack of belief as well. This is a very typical example of people who don't understand that atheism is not knowing there isn't a god, it is knowing god is no more plausible than everything else that doesn't exist, until god has been proven or at least has some supporting evidence.

Now although I don't fully agree with his definition of atheism (I'd say some atheists do believe that a god is an impossibility) the underlying argument is there.

... If [your disbelief in God] were by logic, there would be way more non-believers in the world.

So I guess you have faith that most people are logical? If logic were the most prevalent attribute we possessed, we certainly would have no use for advertisements, or Britney Spears

[Pass That Shit]

no faith is believing in something you cannot see hear taste feel prove etc....

logic would dictate since there is no proof, then there must be no god.

No proof?
Are you alive?
Can you see the sun?
Is their a moon?
Isn't it nice to look at the stars?
Do you like the clouds?
How about the water they drop?
To the earth that we came from,
Where our food grows from the rain
Isn't it nice to plant a seed?
Don't you enjoy harvest?
How about all the animals in the world,
Where did they come from?
Weren't we left the word of God?
No proof?

There's plenty of proof to a believer in God. Now, the unbeliever chooses to put faith in "other" explanations for our coming into existence. To me, logic shows that we did not get put into this perfect environment by "luck". There are way too many factors.
And I'm done beating this dead horse!!!

[jdmarcus59]

No proof?
Are you alive?
Can you see the sun?
Is their a moon?
Isn't it nice to look at the stars?
Do you like the clouds?
How about the water they drop?
To the earth that we came from,
Where our food grows from the rain
Isn't it nice to plant a seed?
Don't you enjoy harvest?
How about all the animals in the world,
Where did they come from?
Weren't we left the word of God?
No proof?

There's plenty of proof to a believer in God. Now, the unbeliever chooses to put faith in "other" explanations for our coming into existence. To me, logic shows that we did not get put into this perfect environment by "luck". There are way too many factors.
And I'm done beating this dead horse!!!

I like that, I like what you said

[Hardcore Newbie]

No proof?
Are you alive?
Can you see the sun?
Is their a moon?
Isn't it nice to look at the stars?
Do you like the clouds?
How about the water they drop?
To the earth that we came from,
Where our food grows from the rain
Isn't it nice to plant a seed?
Don't you enjoy harvest?
How about all the animals in the world,
Where did they come from?
Weren't we left the word of God?
No proof?

There's plenty of proof to a believer in God. Now, the unbeliever chooses to put faith in "other" explanations for our coming into existence. To me, logic shows that we did not get put into this perfect environment by "luck". There are way too many factors.
And I'm done beating this dead horse!!!

Spaghetti Monster did it. Sorry to burst your bubble