ok listen here.......

[sonic titan]

Haha so atheists die early? That's a new one, lame.

[PureEvil760]

You live to be 80-100 right? those living in truth live to be 1000-3000. I wasnt really talking about life expectancy though, I'm talking about this lifetime, those living in darkness are going to be exterminated by the earth within the next 30 years.

[PureEvil760]

You can be indenial and argue all you want but its a hopeless struggle, the light has already won.

[Quincyboy]

it'll always be this way

[slipknotpsycho]

lol... i hope you're still a member of this forum in 30 years.. so i can show you i'm still alive and i was right all along...

[xblackdogx]

we should try to get some water under the bridge i'm building for this community of god believers, atheists and agnostics.

1. You create your reality, your life, not some God
2. There is intelligence beyond our world, beyond the world we know from our senses
3. The intelligence that is beyond our world is formless; formless = god / higher power
4. The trick to life is not to believe in some God, but it is to believe in YOURSELF and your experiences --- your experiences help you throughout each and every moment, you know how things will turn out, make the right actions
5. trust the formless/universe/higher power and know that you are HEAVEN SENT from this intelligence beyond our senses and you will realize your potential
6. stop arguing over the internet because each of you have exactly what you need- your individual experience - use YOUR EXPERIENCE TO YOUR BENEFIT; when you achieve happiness throughout each and everyday, then you can ask yourself if you want to CRITICIZE others perspectives

[Pass That Shit]

you're kidding right?

first i have read it... cover to cover 3 times....

you do realize man wrote that book right? neither god nor jesus conjured up some magic to just 'produce' the book... to me that book holds no more value of being 'proof' then harry potter or something... both were written by everyday normal people...

and if god could dictate what he wanted written, he could prove himself now... which i don't really see happening..

either way i still stick with what i said earlier.... neither side can actually know... you either believe one way or the other, but no one actually KNOWS, as it's impossible to know... since there is no proof that he is, or isn't real. i stick to logic, opposed to faith.

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend"

"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face"

I guess you missed these and many other passages that you're claiming don't exist. It's like beating a dead horse, but the bottom line is that you don't believe their testimony. It's not that these events didn't take place, it's that you are accusing the biblical writers of lying. What proof do you have against them? If we take any event individually, it will come down that you can't provide proof against any of it. Once again, it comes down to faith.

[powair]

You are right, it cannot be proven either true or false. But what it actually comes down to is a choice between buying into the greatest and most successful form of social control, or living free from such societal constraints.

[slipknotpsycho]

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend"

"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face"

I guess you missed these and many other passages that you're claiming don't exist. It's like beating a dead horse, but the bottom line is that you don't believe their testimony. It's not that these events didn't take place, it's that you are accusing the biblical writers of lying. What proof do you have against them? If we take any event individually, it will come down that you can't provide proof against any of it. Once again, it comes down to faith.

like i said, that book was written by man... just cuz the book says he spoke to them, doesn't mean it really happened...

also, i don't have to have proof against it, that's like me asking you what proof do you have that it really DID happen... you don't have proof, you just have the faith it did happen..

the book is so old, and has been translated so many times, that leaves alot of room for error. then of course, there's the fact that it was written by man, and men do lie...

my belief on that book is something that powair has already hinted at.

it was written to control people, you do have to remember at this time there wasn't a whole lot of law, and any they did have wouldn't have been as effective as it is today. what better way to make sure people stay in line then to tell them there is a god watching them all the time, and he has set rules for his creations to follow, and if they don't, they will be condemned to eternal torture as punishment.

[birdgirl73]

Folks, I want to remind some of you again that one of the central tenets of this forum is respect of others' beliefs. I had to remove a thread above that used some profane language about God, which was a prime example of disrespect, and then had to remove two requotes/repeats of that same language in later posts.

For those of you who are debating on the religious-believers side, remember that you, too, are disrespecting others' beliefs when you tell them that your personal beliefs are the infallible truth. While I know you believe this "infallible truth" to be the final word, that is, in fact, your truth, not necessarily everyone else's. Respect goes both ways here.