ask a former catholic

[Pass That Shit]

Jesus is the Father. The Father/Son/Holy Spirit are ONE.
If you say that one is not the other, then you are saying that there are three Gods.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

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Only the Father is to be worshipped. Why do you think the wise men went to worship baby Jesus?

"O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker."

"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."

[Quincyboy]

This is not an attack but a serious question I have been pondering for the past couple days. Why would anybody who believes in any sort of deity think that they are any different than a little kid waiting for Santa Clause on xmas? He knows when you're asleep, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake... that generally fits the description of a god. Santa Clause is a man made fictitious entity so why could God not be? Children usually don't know any better until their parents tell them, or they observe the lies for themselves when they see the parents put presents under the tree. Either way it's usually heartbreaking and not something kids want to learn, that the magical guy who brings them joy every year is fake. That generally fits the description of a hardcore Christian...

what the catholic church would tell you is that there is evidence everwhere of god and that scripture is all the evidence that humans need for our faith in the lord to be strong

what I will tell you is this, its easy to say santa doesnt exist because youll still get christmas presents, its not easy to deny that truly we are alone and insignificant in this universe and that there is no reason for our being except mere chance. also the fact that when we die that might be it is extremely scary it scares me every time i think about it

[Quincyboy]

Jesus is the Father. The Father/Son/Holy Spirit are ONE.
If you say that one is not the other, then you are saying that there are three Gods.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

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Only the Father is to be worshipped. Why do you think the wise men went to worship baby Jesus?

"O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker."

"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."

catholics do belive that there are three in one the holy trinity, but we aslo aknowledge that the seperate enititys are different

god the father is the completly divine omniscient omnipresent and the other omni

god the son is the fully human fully divine entity the bridge between the creator and his flock

the spirit is the abstract presence of the creator in each and every one of us

[Quincyboy]

Louis CK also knows a lot about the catholic church.

although that is very funny i would like to at least try to keep this thread serious so please take it somewhere else

[Breukelen advocaat]

Louis CK also knows a lot about the catholic church.

That was excellent. The pity of it is, it's true.

The old song, California Dreaming, by the Mamas and the Papas, mentions stopping in a Church in New York, on a very cold day. Mama Michelle Phillips said, some years ago, that she was referring to St. Patrick's cathedral (shown in the You Tube Vid, above) when she wrote it.

[Polymirize]

how big a role do the various saints and demons play for catholic doctrine?

Seems like they're more into them than the protestants. What's behind that?

[Breukelen advocaat]

how big a role do the various saints and demons play for catholic doctrine?

Seems like they're more into them than the protestants. What's behind that?

If there was no devil, there'd be no religion. It's a big part of all christian churches' dogma. The protestants were outraged by the adaptation of various pagan beliefs by the Catholic Church, and many of their teachings were just rewordings of old myths - whether it was about devils or beneficial beings.

[Quincyboy]

how big a role do the various saints and demons play for catholic doctrine?

Seems like they're more into them than the protestants. What's behind that?

If you look throught the catechism of the catholic church you will find very few refrences to demons. most people associate the catholic church with demons because of two reasons 1. hollywood 2. the catholic church on very few occasions since vatican II have preformed exorcisms. in reality its more the ever present temptation of the devil cause by original sin that is extremly common. I attended weekly masses for over 16 years and on only a few occasions did the priest mentions demons

saints are a different thing all together. a saint is a person that lived their lives in the true sense of being catholic they were the most prominant examples of the religion and they were reconised as it. many saints were martyrs or faced oppression or descrimination others were just truly wonderful people that showed the essence of the faith

saints are very important in that we belive as all people in heaven look out for us that is why its common to hear catholics praying to saints like saint anthony, michael the archangel, raphael the healer and such

[Quincyboy]

If there was no devil, there'd be no religion. It's a big part of all christian churches' dogma. The protestants were outraged by the adaptation of various pagan beliefs by the Catholic Church, and many of their teachings were just rewordings of old myths - whether it was about devils or beneficial beings.

the protestant reformation was caused by the teaching and sale of indulgences and widespred corruption in the church also the major conflicting views were purgatory, glorification of the mother mary, the popes authority, most of the sacrements, and intercession of the saints

remind me when martin luther nailed the "ninety-five these on pagan beliefs"

[Breukelen advocaat]

the protestant reformation was caused by the teaching and sale of indulgences and widespred corruption in the church also the major conflicting views were purgatory, glorification of the mother mary, the popes authority, most of the sacrements, and intercession of the saints

remind me when martin luther nailed the "ninety-five these on pagan beliefs"

I meant fundamentalists.

The Church's own website addresses these issues, and of course denies that any of their teachings are "pagan".
Is Catholicism Pagan?

Glorification of "Mother Mary" is a type of idolatry. Treating a woman as something worthwhile is actually a better idea than many of their other teachings on the subject. Their involvement in funding the arts during the Renaissance was a good thing as well, despite the religious aspects of the works they commissioned.