thanks ghsty, i'll check it out. I hope everybody gets the point of this thread. The point is that conspiracies do exist and have been confirmed over over again by history. If you want to know whats happening to america today look no further than the demise of rome and Germanies descet into fascism. We are doomed to a german path that stops right before world war two and has a roman ending. A great movie to check out on this is zeitgeist. Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007 I think i'll start a new thread for that movie.