CLONE ONLY SUCKS!!!!

[the image reaper]

That's bull shit make motherfucker go hermie or something.If that is the case didn't the original mother come from seed then. Exactly then their must be seeds for it or just fucking cross it then.

and, another real nice post ...

[the image reaper]

as an answer to your mistaken ideas about 'clone-only' strains ... IF, for instance, you were to cross a couple plants, and get a 'very special, potent' offspring, AND they happened to be all-female, (as I frequently have), you have no choice, except to clone ... forcing a 'hermaphrodite', just to get a male for pollen, results in a 'damaged' breedline, and will usually result in 'hermies' in subsequent generations ... hermies are BAD ... crossing your females with males from another strain, results in another hybrid, not true to your original plant (which was your original desire) ... THAT is why some varieties are 'clone-only' ... it is NOT some 'secret plot' to keep the strains in California, or anywhere else, for that matter ... the famous 'G-13', for example, existed as only a male clone, but is credited with influencing many strains ... :smokin:

[fsunoles]

as an answer to your mistaken ideas about 'clone-only' strains ... IF, for instance, you were to cross a couple plants, and get a 'very special, potent' offspring, AND they happened to be all-female, (as I frequently have), you have no choice, except to clone ... forcing a 'hermaphrodite', just to get a male for pollen, results in a 'damaged' breedline, and will usually result in 'hermies' in subsequent generations ... hermies are BAD ... crossing your females with males from another strain, results in another hybrid, not true to your original plant (which was your original desire) ... THAT is why some varieties are 'clone-only' ... it is NOT some 'secret plot' to keep the strains in California, or anywhere else, for that matter ... the famous 'G-13', for example, existed as only a male clone, but is credited with influencing many strains ... :smokin:

You make good points. So what you are telling me is that it is impossible to obtain these strains listed. So pretty much the first person with urkle seeds went 100% female with all of their seeds.

[the image reaper]

possibly, I have no way of knowing the background of those particular popular clones, just saying the absence of a male, is possibly why the 'clone-only' situation exists ... it IS possible some breeder purposely keeps them clone-only to protect their strain, but I personally have never heard of that situation ... most breeders would LOVE to make a batch of seeds from designer strains ... for instance, the only way to find Mauie Wowie, Panama Red, and a few other 'extinct' strains in seed form, is when they have been crossed with another strain, usually resulting in something that didn't impress, like the original ... :smokin:

[Dnutz]

real nice language ...

ya it was more out of rant...lol. but im glad you put the info in your posts so that we novice growers/lovers dont get confused!

[2ezy]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..

That aside, anyone can find outstanding individuals/phenos when growing. I think these clone onlys are prob decent smoke, but they are only highly valued as they are exclusive(hard to obtain) and peeps always want what they don't have. I strong doubt they live up to hype and if they were freely available they wouldn't be nearly as prized.

[psteve]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..

Do you really think you're the first person to think of this? If it worked, there would be train wreck seeds for sale on every website.

That aside, anyone can find outstanding individuals/phenos when growing. I think these clone onlys are prob decent smoke, but they are only highly valued as they are exclusive(hard to obtain) and peeps always want what they don't have. I strong doubt they live up to hype and if they were freely available they wouldn't be nearly as prized.

You've obviously never tried train wreck, or purple urkel.

[GDS StonerBoy]

I tried trainwreck before but if it is clone only how did my dealer get it way in louisiana unless he lied and i tried something else?! I do know that he is a grower so i believed him!

[the image reaper]

If I had one of these clone onlys, I would treat it with GB acid so it would pollinate itself and give me some beans..

treating with gibberlic acid will only force the plant to go hermaphroditic, which will pollute the resulting generation with a 'hermie' tendency ... plenty of ways to force a hermie, without resorting to gibberlic acid, a highly-toxic chemical, and dangerous to work with ... there are safe methods to do the same thing, but I recommend against forcing hermies ... I feel our marijuana strains are already suffering permanent damage from growing out hermies, from so-called 'feminized' seeds ... 'feminizing' isn't necessary, only 'patience' is required ... grow out regular seeds, select your females, and clone your favorites ... HERMIES = BAD ... :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

Just FYI, even if you force-herm a clone-only strain and 'self' it, you are still subject to the laws of Mendelian genetics! If your clone-only strain is heterozygous for any trait, you WILL see phenotypic variation in the next generation for that trait.

Forcing herms on these strains IMHO is a way to make a POTENTIAL backup copy, but as Rhizome said earlier, you then have to carefully breed these and backcross them to the original mother, selecting the most perfect copies among the offspring, before you truly have a good seed line.