Do you support a war against IRAN?

[Friend Indeed]

Are you able to carry on a debate without swearing?
When you drop the F-Bomb it just makes you look ignorant & uneducated.

I have "fucking" done my research, "bud".

"We don't need you're fucking help, man"??? Really? Good!!!!!
If/when Canada is attacked, I will protest my government for providing aid, which of course will be fruitless.

All I said was that SOME Canadians are obsessed with American politics & are unable/unwilling/afraid to hold their own governemnt responsible.

Why don't you use your pent-up resentment to make changes to YOUR political system?

Canada is very fortunate to be adjacent to the U.S.

Have a nice fucking day, man. I have to go to work so that I can pay taxes to subsidize Canada's socialized medical system.

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[Psycho4Bud]

Friend Indeed,

Causing a flame war, personal attacks, in here isn't permitted. One more post referring to people in here being ignorant will be dealt with.ostreadrulez:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[FreshNugz]

I'm defensive because you offended me, and my country. And you didn't even do so rationally or logically.
I used the "f-bomb" as you call it only twice.
Your tax dollars have nothing to do with my medical system!!!! Where do you even come up with this!?
By the way, nobody is obsessed with American politics. It's funny to watch, but obsessed? I highly doubt it. And how does us having an interest in American politics mean we can't hold our government accountable. I just don't see where you get your arguments, and don't call me ignorant and uneducated for using some colourful language in defending my nation, which you've insulted.
And you think your government would help us if we were attacked...you can't even help your own citizens in New Orleans, let alone anyone else! You act like you're doing us a favour by being our neighbour, when you do nothing but insult us.
Why so sour about our medicare? It has nothing to do with you. Seems as though you wish you had access.

[psychocat]

Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.

Read the thread title man.
This is not a discussion about nuclear capability it is about support for another bullshit attack by America on another nation which has done fuck all to America.

And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.

I was the one who compared Bush to Hitler not Mark so why don't you quote me, Bush is DICTATING what other countries may or may not do .
Try looking up the definition of dictating.
Getting others to toe your line through threats of violence is DICTATING.

Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.

You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?

You need the education if you believe for one minute that America is not becoming a facist state, you buy the propoganda telling you there are threats round every corner which gives your goverment even more power to monitor and watch you for any anti-American ideas.
Sounds a lot like the Mcarthy witch hunts of the 50s ,,reds under the bed,, feed the paranoia and keep the people suspicious of each other. It's all a smoke screen to stop you looking too closely at what your goverment is actualy doing which is screwing each and every one of you.

[Zonyc]

Are you able to carry on a debate without swearing?
When you drop the F-Bomb it just makes you look ignorant & uneducated.

I have "fucking" done my research, "bud".

"We don't need you're fucking help, man"??? Really? Good!!!!!
If/when Canada is attacked, I will protest my government for providing aid, which of course will be fruitless.

All I said was that SOME Canadians are obsessed with American politics & are unable/unwilling/afraid to hold their own governemnt responsible.

Why don't you use your pent-up resentment to make changes to YOUR political system?

Canada is very fortunate to be adjacent to the U.S.

Have a nice fucking day, man. I have to go to work so that I can pay taxes to subsidize Canada's socialized medical system.

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Ok, This post is about supporing a War with Iran or not. Did you even read my post? Do you know what a dictator even is? An absolutist or autocratic ruler who assumes sole power over the state. President Ahmadinejad became president on 6 August 2005 after winning the 2005 presidential election by popular vote. That makes him the president of the islamic REPUBLIC of Iran.

Your stance on you country's nuclear program is that it's fine if you have nukes, and its fine if anyone else who follows you has nukes? Meaning after the war in Iraq is over, (and they have so kindly laid down their weapons and adopted western democracy like you have forced on them) you would be fine if they started a nuclear weapons program?

And what does Canada's border patrol have anything to do with this post, and how the hell in your right mind do you justify saying that YOUR taxes go towards the Canadian universal healthcare system?

[Mr. Clandestine]

There's plenty of room for debate over justified means in the Iraq war. Coincidentally, America invaded Iraq, and is now trying to make the best of an awkward situation/stalemate. American politicians are at each others throats constantly. The left, in general, wants to bring the war to a close immediately...while the right wants to see the job get finished. The "job" being to establish a democracy in a primarily theocratic nation. This is usually where the debates begin. Democrats who want out assume that the mission should have actually been accomplished when Hussein was removed from power. The Republicans want the Iraqi military to be able to defend itself from future insurgents and terrorists. There, unfortunately, is no middle ground...nor many compromises. Just endless bickering from both sides.

As for war with Iran, it's not likely at all that this will happen. For several reasons. One - America has very little resources for a ground invasion in ANY country, much less one the size of Iran. Two - most Americans are sick and tired of losing their sons and daughters to a war declared on an abstract, and loosely used noun (i.e. - "terrorism"). Three - Iran, while touting their supposed nuclear capabilities, certainly doesn't want to try and compete with America in terms of destructive capabilities of a nuclear war. America's nuclear arsenal could turn their enormous, rugged country into a flat parking lot very quickly. And they know this. This is why they are trying to wage a covert war by supplying insurgents in Iraq with weaponry. It's basically the only way they can "wage war" on the American "infidels" without actually making a declaration of war.

As for the negative comments about America, just remember this...no one country is perfect. No country is flawless in the laws it imposes on its civilians, and no country has a 100% perfectly content citizenship. America has its flaws, and I don't know of any American who will blatantly deny this. But, even with all of its flaws, it's still considered the greatest nation in the world by many people...not just Americans. It's still a land of opportunity, and even though the concept of freedom is different for everyone, it's still the land of the free. I agree that the archaic marijuana laws could use some revamping, and that's what political activism is for. I'm vehemently against most drugs. I've seen what heroin and cocaine can do to peoples lives. I've met the families that these drugs have destroyed. I'm not against the DEA, because I don't EVER want my children to get caught up in the turmoil that hard drugs can impose on a persons life. I wish the DEA would actually take the time to consider the medicinal properties of marijuana use, and maybe they will. The best thing about living in America is that we can choose and elect representatives that can make real changes.

...we just have to find them first.

[Markass]

Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.

What exactly is YOUR country doing about the security of North America? Why should U.S. taxpayers help you people w/your border weakness? Use your own tax dollars!! I'm already paying for a WAR I don't agree with. Why should we help you with your problems? Why should we help YOU with anything?

By the way, how many AlQueda camps are you up to now in Canada?

I don't work 2 jobs to help YOUR government do what is right.
Hold YOUR governemnt responsible!!!!!

And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.

Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.

You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?

1. I'm not canadian, buddy.

2. Why should I as a US taxpayer pay to help Iraq's cause?? Why not spend it in canada instead, which is right at our front door?

[psychocat]

There's plenty of room for debate over justified means in the Iraq war. .

Give me one good reason for American troops being in Iraq ?

WMD ?

They are there for one reason only and that is to benefit America.

As for Iran , America really needs to clean up it's own backyard before it goes round dictating to others.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Give me one good reason for American troops being in Iraq ?

I wasn't defending the reasons America had for going over there. I didn't agree with the war in the first place, but I will agree that Iraq is now a better place with Saddam out of power. And if ("if" being the operative word) Iraq establishes a long-lasting democracy, then I'd say that's another good reason for still having our troops there. Regardless of whether you believe the rhetoric or not, Iraq and much of the Middle East is a breeding ground for terrorists and Islamic radicals. If we run from something they started (not Iraq, but Islamic radical fundamentalists), we'd look like cowards in the eyes of the world.

[psychocat]

The Power of Nightmares Part 1: Baby it's Cold Outside - by Adam Curtis

The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory - by Adam Curtis

The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave - by Adam Curtis


Fear is being sown for a reason and people need to wake up to the manipulation.