as I said, my Dutch Passion seeds were fresh, and viable, no complaints there, they grew very healthy, beautiful plants ... other than that, they were garbage, NO POTENCY, NO YIELD ... just because the prices are lower, or you receive seeds, does NOT make them worthy of recommendation ... if you research several cannabis websites, you will see that Dutch Passion is badmouthed almost universally, I'm not the only one to diss them ... despite the bad reviews, I tried them anyway, and, was very disappointed ... not saying ALL their strains are weak and pathetic, just the one I grew out ... by all means, BUY DUTCH PASSION SEEDS, then you'll know for sure ... how's that ? ... :smokin: