The Real Hip-Hop Appreciation Thread

[Its a Plant]

And all of that novel that you typed up would have been relevant HAD I said hip hop has no talent...it takes talent for sure, just not the same type of talent as say a jam band or any other band. You have a nasty habit of easily getting offended and putting words in my mouth, no?

I'm not so much knocking on hip hop as I am on the fact that you hold it higher than any other form of music, all the while clinging to it as you are also perched on that cloud of knowledge looking down on us. That's all.

Like I said, I'll easily bang to some Gheto Boys now and then because YEAH, my mind's playin' tricks on me. haha. But I mean I don't really take it seriously to a certain extent.

I wouldn't take EVERYTHING I say so seriously or look into it too much though....Take it with a grain of salt if you wish. :jointsmile:

[Hardcore Newbie]

Hahaha my good man, did you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

I'd rather use the lowest form of wit than using the highest form of stupidity.

sorry I don't read minds. And more so, it's so not comparable when the group doesn't have a single person playing an actual instrument...just someone spittin' rhymes while someone else plays with a simple beat. There's music, and then there's hip hop.

Rappers are comparable to singers that write their own songs, in my mind. And the simple beat is generally a function of hip hop, not a limitation.

And all of that novel that you typed up would have been relevant HAD I said hip hop has no talent...it takes talent for sure, just not the same type of talent as say a jam band or any other band.

I agree, if you actually mean that they're different types of talent, not one being superior over the other. Of course they're both different types of talent. Most guitarists can't rap, does that mean they're less skilled, in general, than rappers? No, they just have different types of skill. Your viewpoint seems to be, and correct me if I'm wrong, that someone plays an instrument is somehow musically better than someone who doesn't. But the voice is an instrument, and each one is unique. Choosing the instruments and styles you like best are just tastes, nothing more.

I know you're just having fun with your arguments, but in a subject that is completely subjective (as all art is), being in an appreciation thread, I'll defend hip hop.

[dankman]

y'all are bickering like a bunch of school girls just agree to disagree

jeezy does suck.

only way i can listen to him is when its his beat and weezys flow

hahaha thats true

im not a big fan of jay-z i can listen to him for a bit but not for long
mainly i listen to

tupac, dr dre, n.w.a., ray cash, lil wayne, currency, nickatina and equipto, biggie, mos def, biz markie well actually i just play just a friend hella times in a row.

[snowblind]

u boys should check the forgien beggers from the uk, rodney p and kid koala. for the guy who likes mf doom, check out dangerdoom. thats mf doom and danger mouse. ill.

[Joe Paterno]

damn I forgot about this site, then found it and forgot my password...lol only a weed forum

anyways real quick to that cat talking to me about telling a girl to kill yourself that obviously wasn't meant literally and frankly to come into a real hip hop thread and say jeezy is the the best right now is such a completely ridiculous statement that most people who believe it should

my real point was that I'm happy this thread is still going strong and to also that to anyone saying hip hop isn't real music because "they don't play instruments" should re-read the list and notice THE MOTHERFUCKIN ROOTS!



smoking a blunt and listening to illadelph halflife right now and had to post that now back to the L
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[snowblind]

if you like mf doom check out danger doom

danger mouse and mf doom

its ill

[Tea Party]

Uhhh....yeaaaah...LOL...I dunno about of all time and I DEFINITELY know it's the most creative of ALL music....yeah RIGHT...

Nas is one of the better rappers out there, but I mean come on, you can't compare him to actual musicians in terms of creativity and imagination...SO many other guys come to mind who PLAY an instrument. :jointsmile:

I won't get involved in this battle, but I will at my:twocents:
There is a lot of garbage music in all genres. I just wanted to gently point out that not considering the voice-box as an instrument would necessarily exclude a lot of great musicians in every genre (rock, reggae, opera, jazz, blues, and hip-hop...). Vocalists are musicians too. Aceyalone of Freestyle Fellowship, for instance, is creative to the extreme, and I could not use language off the top of my head in such a rhythmic and meaningful way like he does--and nobody can, and nobody ever will. Then there are artist like K'naan who are great and have serious stories to tell, and stuff from when we were kids like Eric B. and Rakim...
Programmed beats and live jams are kind of like Golf & Tennis. They are two different sports. I do not really enjoy ten minute Dead songs in the car, but I do at home...just like I tend not to listen to as many beats and rhymes at home, opting for more Jazz and Reggae.
I could sit in with a jam band on guitar, however, and do just fine. Different people have different skills. That does not mean that one is better than the other. True freestyle rap is no different than a jamband, or a jug band, or a rock band, or a singer songwriter. Different genres just have different timbres and different emotional responses for different listeners...but Jay-Z, and Young Jeezy and 50 cent and eminem and all this other for-the-$$-tripe is garbage, I agree. Good art is always about the intention and soul behind the artist. If it is honest and true to its creator, it is creative.

[Molson]

Damn guys, lets sit back and relax. Talk about Hip-Hop and appreciate the pioneers and the people that keep it alive.

Some of my favorites:
Classic Wu-Tang Clan
The Members of Wu-Tang solo career's
Smiff and Wessun
One of my fav. MC's, R.A. the Rugged Man
Madvillian/MF Doom
Aesop Rock
Atmosphere(of course)
Jeru tha Damaja
Jedi Mind Tricks, thats a given
Quasimoto

There are so many more, those are just off the top of my head.

[HighTillIDie]

lol crazy people who love confrontation....

Georgia- ludacris
Outta my System- Bow wow
Money on my Mind- lil weezy
Grew Up A screw up- Ludacris

last three songs i listened too

[UTD Toker]

You want creativity? Listen to some bay rapper's lyrics like equipto, mac dre, and andre nickatina and tell me they arnt creative. listen to the album horns and halos #3 Bullet Symphony and tell me thats not creative:wtf: Btw slap by ludacris is pretty dope also