Jesus is against cannabis.

[beachguy in thongs]

This is Page #5.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

query:
isnt it hyppocritical for one on the path of zen to denounce activities of any sort, including, but not limited to, intoxication?

is not intoxication a vital step in the path toward zen?
is not zen the cecation to care about good and bad?
then if to denounce something or elate it is not to give it a pseudo sense of good or bad? rigetous or vile?


OR, am i jsut spouting crap? i, for one, would like to know...

[Hardcore Newbie]

Dies this page have a glitch in it or something? I can't go to page 5.

if you see that, I think it generally means a post from earlier has been deleted.

The fifth page gets emptied, but you can still see it in the navigation.

of course I could be totally off base

[LaZ]

Jesus did use cannabis:

Source1: Did Jesus use cannabis? Sex, drugs, violence, and the Bible

Source 2: CC11: Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana

Source 3: Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Source 4: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis linked to Biblical healing

There are many sources that state there is an almost certain chance Jesus definately used cannabis.

[natureisawesome]

There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

[LaZ]

There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

[imitator]

There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

[LaZ]

There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

Yeah, but we are talking about what was being used in "miracles" and at ceremonies now. We aren't even talking about smoking marijuana, even though he could have. We are talking about the oils containing high levels cannabis used.

Jesus had to use cannabis or he's not christ. The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed". So if Jesus didn't use the oil, then he is not the anointed, therefore not christ. But he did use it and that is how he got his title. The kings used the holy annointing oil to become "possessed with the spirit of the lord." (As we know today: getting high lol)

[Ganj]

I think we're all egotists to believe we know what the All-Mighty really wants from us but even more so, to deny that we do. Think on that!

[natureisawesome]

Laz:

But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

No there isn't proof! It's just like I said, you people will eat up garbage that is undocumented and coming from the fringe but you won't even consider the truth of scripture, which is far more credible.

This stuff really burns me up. Do you study the bible? Do you use a greek and hebrew concordance? Have you even cross examined this at all?

Here's what I have found, by studying and cross examination:

These "scholars" claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" --which is the Hebrew word for cannabis (hemp, or marijuana). Where did this supposed scholarly information come from? Well, Suspiciously, there are only a couple sources of this NEW information. There are a few different claims, but the most recent and biggest was allegedly from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1980. Even more suspicious is the ridiculous claim that a few people have found a NEW truth that theologians and translators have missed for thousands of years.

Allegedly, in 1903, A British physician Dr. Creighton was the first to determine that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Interestingly, no one can seem to document this claim. Then in 1936, an etymologist Sara Benetowa (of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw) allegedly discovered the connection between kaneh-bosem in the Old Testament, and the original Semitic Hebrew origins of the word cannabis. Again, where's the proof of these allegations?

First, are you going to believe a doctor and an etymologist over tens-of thousands of theologians and translators throughout history? Second, there are NO proofs of these claims. Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "Gay and Lesbian Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

It was thought until recently that cannabis was not mentioned in the Bible. Scholars have argued about the etymology of kinebosm (or, kannabosm) and related words, such as "qineh," which means hemp. Previously the word was translated as sugarcane (or calamus). All of a sudden, someone has found a new doctrine. This is a classic case of how uneducated, unthinking groups create their own mythology on the internet, by simply repeating each other's errors over and over again, until everyone in the group believes it to be true, because they see it everywhere they look. The trouble is, since they refuse to look OUTSIDE of their own little community, they never learn the truth, and just continue repeating the lies. This is exactly what happened here, without any doubt. Clearly, some stoner nut saw a word in some article somewhere, misinterpreting it grossly to mean that Jesus anointed people by dunking them in cannabis oil.

The connection between cannabis and Jesus is tenuous at best. It stems from the ingredients listed in Exodus 30:23 for Anointing Oil. (The NIV translation chooses the word 'fragrant cane'. The KJV calamus.)

Several sources have connected this supposed hallucinogenic with Jesus being the 'Christ' or 'Anointed' and finishing with Shamanism. This is a great example of junk scholarship based on etymological gymnastics enabled by moving from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English (and often back again.) It is a case of someone with an agenda reading imposing their will on the text.

Rabbi Diana Villa easily debunks this ( Schechter Institute of Jewish Studies - SIJS ) :

Question

Dear Rabbi,

What is the fragrant cane (qaneh besem, kaneh bosm, kineboisin, etc) mentioned in Exodus 30:23? I understand that calamus was a mistranslation. Is it the lemon grass that I've been reading about or is it cannabis? Finally, were there prohibitionist laws against cannabis in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus?

Respectfully,

Gene

Answer

Dear Gene,

Yehudah Felix has written three books in Hebrew that relate to your questions: Biblical Vegetation published in 1957, Nature in the Biblical land, published in 1992, and Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, published in 1997. "Kinamon" or "kinman bosem" is definitely cinnamon. It was originally used for perfume and incense and only began to be used as a spice in the Middle Ages. The tree it comes from is the cinnamonum zeylanium, which can be found in India or China. Felix, in Biblical Vegetation, writes that the Biblical kind was from China. In Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, he says it's the Indian kind. In any case it is cinnamon. Kneh Bosem is an expensive fragrance imported from far away lands. It's apparently a tropical kind of plant. In Nature in the Biblical land, Felix writes that Kneh Bosem might come from East Africa. Other possibilities are:

1) Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, found near the Sea of Galilee;
2) Cymbopogon Martini, found in India;
3) Kalamos eodes, found near the Sea of Galilee;
4) Acorus calamus, but the reeds are not hollow as a kaneh should be;
5) Andropogon nardus, a fragant reed from India.

In all my research, I found no reference whatsoever to cannabis, and I don't know whether it existed in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus and whether there were prohibitionist laws.

Sincerely,

Rabbi Diana Villa

Even if the Bible was referring to "cannabis," rather than "calamus" (which it is not), it doesn't matter because calamus was used as an added ingredient, not as a product by itself. Exodus 30:22-25 states...

"Moreover The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil."

As plainly described, the Biblical refers to "calamus" as a mere ingredient in the holy anointing oil, used only for anointing articles of the tabernacle and the priests. Holy oil was not to be used for anything, or anyone, else -- anyone who did was cut off from Israel.

Calamus, Acorus calamus

"This ancient herb is mentioned in the Bible and is chewed by the Natives of Northeastern Canada on a daily basis. It is also used in ayurvedic medicine for canceling out the negative effects of consistent marijuana smoking. This makes it an especially good smoke for those who are quitting long term marijuana use. In small doses it is a stimulant. In large internal doses it is hallucinogenic. It's main ingredient (TMA) is more psychoactive by weight than mescaline. However, smoking it will not cause psychic pyrotechnics. It appears to provide a relaxed, pleasant, mild psychotropic effect very different from Marijuana. It is very unlike calming herbs used to quit Marijuana because it will make your head cloudy."

Herbal Smoking Mixtures


The English word "calamus," was derived from the Latin word for "cane," and is used to translate the Hebrew word "qaneh" (pronounced "Kaw-neh"). Calamus is mentioned in the Scriptures as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by the Levite priests in the Old Testament. Calamus is also often translated as "sweet cane," "sweet flag," or "fragrant cane." Probably indigenous to India, Acorus calamus is now found across Europe, in southern Russia, northern Asia Minor, southern Siberia, China, Japan, Burma, Sri Lanka, and northern USA. It refers to a plant originally found in India which was dried and used in precious perfumes. It was traded in markets widely through the Middle East, as the Lord even mentions Himself...

"Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil." -Exodus 30:22-25

Carefully notice that God is giving Moses a formula for making holy anointing oil and; NOT, a herbal formula for Moses to get high on. Even the word "sweet" indicates that the Bible is referring to calamus (often called "sweet cane") and; NOT, cannabis, which is not sweet.

I have no problem with Jesus using cannabis. I do have a problem when people spread unverified rumors about the bible. At least cross analize.