Secular Fundamentalism in America

[Lulu]

Christmas is a hijacked festival anyway , nothing to do with christianity and everything to do with the winter solstice.
Didn't know you were a pagan torog.

http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm

Also

Easter
The Christian holiday of Easter commemorates the crucifixion of Christ, and his rise from the dead into heaven. Then where do all the symbolism of bunnies, and eggs come from? It's more than coincedence that the early Pagans had a holiday to mark the Spring Equinox, called Ostara, usually celebrated around March 21st. With the return of spring, came the birthing of the farm animals for the year. Which is why we see bunnies, chicks, eggs and little lambs as symbols for this holiday. Part of the Ostara mythology involved the return of various deities from the underworld (symbolic of the end of winter). So it's not surprising that this holiday got enmeshed with the Christian story of the ressurection of Christ.

Hallowe'en
Ok, everyone knows that Hallowe'en is a Pagan holiday, but there are many misconceptions surrounding what the holiday really means. Pagans call the day Samhain (SOW-en or sow-EEN). The old God dies on this day, and the Goddess mourns him until his rebirth at Yule. We use this day to honour and remember our loved ones who have passed on. In an effort to diffuse the interest in this heathen holiday, the Church created All Saint's Day (November 1) as a holy day to recognize all the Catholic saints. But it wasn't a powerful enough idea to wipe out the traditional Hallowe'en celebrattions. Ironically, many Christians do not approve of the celebration of Hallowe'en because of its Pagan origins, not realizing that almost all of the holidays they observe had Pagan beginnings.

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

http://paganwiccan.about.com/library...03holidays.htm

[stonerboy40k]

some people jus dont want ure religion forced on them

[Nullific]

I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

So basically what you're saying is "Oh I could debate but instead i'll just call him a bastard kiddie liberal who must not know a damn thing about politics or life even though all I know about him is that he posted comments contradicting my own on a message board and hopefully nobody will realize that I was actually just ignoring his input completely so as not to have to face that perhaps I am wrong because I could say nothing more on the subject."

Is that it?

[F L E S H]

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

Lulu, you're right, but it goes even further than that. There are some who would argue, and successfully I might add, that the entire set of festivals and rituals that are the basis for Christianity are all of pagan origin.

There once was man who was born of a virgin mother, and on his birth day a star appeared in the sky, which led many nobles to him. They presented him with rich gifts and predicted that he would be a great leader. When he was around 12 years old, he went to the local tremple and argued with the elders on key theological points. the rest of his life until he was around 30 is virtually unknown to us. At that point, he went to big cities and gathered a group of 12 disciples and taught them his ways, and told them to spread his message across the world. One night, he even went to the top of a little hill and prayed, and was transfigured in front of all his followers.

Familiar story, isn't it? That's pretty much the life of Buddha, and his religion grew out of Hindusim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaeism. People like Horus and Osiris in Ancient Egypt, Romulus in Ancient Rome, Herakles, Adonis and Orpheus in Ancient Greece, along with Thor, son of Odin, Mithras, Tammuz and scores of others (all the objects of old cults) have all lead an almost identical life. What can we make of that?

[GHoSToKeR]

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

The Christian church, up until recently, had never tried to 'blend old with the new', they just murdered anybody who would not convert; they labelled these religions as pagan and evil; they changed their religion and their beliefs so they could say these religions were evil - Christianity probably has the most blood-filled history than any religion. Try reading up on the history of Christianity, from an unbiased source (I dont mean asking a priest, reading the Bible, or whatever.. go to a library and look through history books) and you'll be surprised - its sickening

[mr chinnery]

Lulu, you're right, but it goes even further than that. There are some who would argue, and successfully I might add, that the entire set of festivals and rituals that are the basis for Christianity are all of pagan origin.

There once was man who was born of a virgin mother, and on his birth day a star appeared in the sky, which led many nobles to him. They presented him with rich gifts and predicted that he would be a great leader. When he was around 12 years old, he went to the local tremple and argued with the elders on key theological points. the rest of his life until he was around 30 is virtually unknown to us. At that point, he went to big cities and gathered a group of 12 disciples and taught them his ways, and told them to spread his message across the world. One night, he even went to the top of a little hill and prayed, and was transfigured in front of all his followers.

Familiar story, isn't it? That's pretty much the life of Buddha, and his religion grew out of Hindusim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaeism. People like Horus and Osiris in Ancient Egypt, Romulus in Ancient Rome, Herakles, Adonis and Orpheus in Ancient Greece, along with Thor, son of Odin, Mithras, Tammuz and scores of others (all the objects of old cults) have all lead an almost identical life. What can we make of that?

It makes a good story. George Lucas used a mythological template when he wrote Star Wars. Stories like these appeal to very primitive impulses in people. Perhaps this is the reason for Star Wars massive popularity?

[ismokedope]

QUOTE=Torog]!

I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

Have a good one...Torog[/QUOTE]


The Torog answer to everything when he gets beat in a debate, call the person a liberal. Make vague reference to secular humanism. Hope it goes away.
Those idiots in PA were holding up signs that said god hates gays, but the cops were like fine you can hold those signs up, you just cant block the vendors booths, because they paid to have it there. I saw the video, they had lots of chances to back down and stop harrsing gay people. Go to the million man march and hold up a sign saying gods hates blacks, see how long you last.
I dont want religions forced on me, thats what happens in 3rd world nations. I dont want to goto court to pay a ticket, and on top it have to see the commandments, which i find offensive

"Secularists maintain a strict set of beliefs, values and ideals to which they pursue with an unyielding zeal and devotion that nearly parallels that of their Islamo-Fascist comrades;"


Really? I would have thought that he jesusfascists were more like that. Islamofascism is racist term btw. The texas taliban must be stopped. Kind of funny though, the way they pretend to be shocked that we dont want our kids being told evolution is lie or that the world is flat, or that there is long bearded man (not a woman!) in the sky. I cant believe in the 21st century there are people who want fairy tales taught as fact in public schools