Secular Fundamentalism in America

[Torog]

Secular Fundamentalism In America (Communism Parading As Liberty)
Christian Underground ^ | Jan. 8, 2005 | Gary Schneider


The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com --- Secular Fundamentalism in America by Gary Schneider Jan 6, 2005

Have you forgotten already? Has the anger, angst and concern you felt just a few short weeks ago dissipated as you recall the opprobrious attempts by secularists to suppress your First Amendment rights, and oppress people of faith that were highlighted over this holiday season? I haven't forgotten. Indeed, I commence this new year with a renewed vigor to aggressively challenge the oppressive efforts of the radical Secular Fundamentalist element in America.

Here are just a few quick reminders:

- A California School district forbids teacher from providing handouts that reference significant documents in U.S. history because they mention God.

- In schools throughout the country students were forbidden to say Merry Christmas, hand out Christmas cards, or sing Christmas carols with religious references contained in them.

- The right to display the Ten Commandments on public grounds has been lost or is being challenged in Alabama, Ohio, Kentucky and Texas to name a few.

- The tax exempt status of churches is being actively challenged by extremist groups such Americans United for Separation of Church and State and their ilk using the argument that they receive benefits such as roads, sewers, police and fire protection!

- The honorable Boy Scouts of America is facing legal attacks of unparalleled proportions from these same organizations due to their recognition of God.

- School Choice is being aggressively opposed for fear it represents a "Trojan Horse" that will (oh dread) expose children to God. This despite considerable support for school choice among a key liberal constituencyâ?¦minorities.

- In Pennsylvania, Christians face up to 47 years in prison for reading the Bible in public during a homosexual event. And many more egregious examples of attempts by such fundamentalists to restrict the freedom of religion, expression and individual liberty, from sea to shining sea, are ongoing.

Freedom and liberty, according to the American tradition, have been commensurate to a value â?¦ a sacred unalienable right endowed to us by our creator. Yet, on the hierarchy of sacred rights, freedom and liberty are being pushed aside by capricious and contrived new world axioms imploring that "though shalt not offend" (note: this axiom largely only applies to Conservatives and Christians). In this left wing, politically correct netherworld, unabridged "freedom" should only be afforded to those who will not engage in activities that challenge the perceived inerrancy of liberal doctrine or their sanctified special interestsâ?¦or so is the illiberal world of the Secular Fundamentalist.

In nearly all aspects, barring the existence of a supernatural being, Secularism has established itself as a religion. Secularists maintain a strict set of beliefs, values and ideals to which they pursue with an unyielding zeal and devotion that nearly parallels that of their Islamo-Fascist comrades; the core of which is the belief that considerations of (primarily the Judeo-Christian) God should be strictly excluded from civil affairs or public education. And they actively support, maintain and proselytize these beliefs via highly organized means and institutions that are well funded by their donations. The question remains though: What other tenets do they hold as gospel? And from where are they derived?

The reality is, when one scratches just slightly below the already transparent surface of the secular left, you find a Liberal or Socialist using secularism as a means to an endâ?¦for if you remove God as the grantor of the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you relegate the sole authority to grant and maintain these rights to the state. This is a Socialists' utopia and mankind's (historically proven) nightmare. In furtherance of their statist faith, these fundamentalists seek to subjugate the will of those who embrace belief systems that threaten their own. That is, the supremacy of rights endowed to man by a creator, over those architected by man and implemented via the state, threaten their very doctrinal foundation. Clearly, pluralism is no longer trait that the left can claim, for they recognize that vetted truth, derived from free, fair and open discourse, will spell their continued dissolution.

In a now broadly distributed quote, It was the ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, who said: "We are for socialism, disarmament, and ... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." Folks, simply connect the dots.

And as with all faith systems, Secularism has its zealots and radicals to what is already an extremist doctrine at its base. These secular fundamentalists and their organizations such as moveon.org, the ACLU, American's Coming Together, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, etc., represent in my opinion, the proverbial "enemy from within" for those of us who embrace the American vision framed by our Founding Fathers.

Surprisingly, many in the Democratic Party, it appears, also deem these secular left wing-nuts as the enemy within and are progressing efforts to purge, or at least marginalize, this element from their ranks by promoting the "New Democrat". This movement, spearheaded by The Democratic Leadership Council (www.ndol.org), apparently seeks to reestablish a more moderate party platform ... or at least tone. According to their website: "New Democrats are the modernizers of the progressive tradition in American politics. We believe in the traditional values that have always propelled the Democratic Party and we believe that the best way to further those values in a new era is to modernize our policies and programs to keep up with the changing times."

The very probable risk here, of course, is that the Democrats will be successful at modifying there liberal "new speak" to a tone that is more palatable to the American mainstream while not truly modifying their policies, or breaking away from the extremist forces within their party to which they have become so beholdenâ?¦Stay closely tuned.

Irrespective of Democratic Party platform changes or potential moderation in tone, this Cultural-Political war for the soul of America is very much in play. Understand that what is now coined as the "culture war" comes down to one faith (secularism) seeking to suppress another; and cloaking secular oppression in the language of American liberty does nothing to mitigate this fact.

A controversial ad released by Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) stated that "maybe we should just let religious fundamentalists (read Christians) take over the United States (after all, it's worked so well in Iran.)" Ironically, if mainstream Americans do not stand up against organizations such as AU, the ACLU, etc., then ceding control of America to radical fundamentalists is exactly what we will be doing.

Gary Schneider is the President and founder of TheRealityCheck.Org, Inc. TheRealityCheck.org, Inc. is a conservative issue advocacy and information group established to promote and defend conservative social, political and economic principles nationally. They are located in Fairfield County, CT. [email protected] http://www.christian-underground.com...ad.php?sid=234 Posted to the CU: 2005-01-07 02:15:47 CST ======================================== We will Pray WHEN we want School - WHERE we want Work - The Street - The Mall - Persecute Us At Your Own Peril! The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com ========================================

Torog Reviewed by Torog on 01-08-2005. Secular Fundamentalism in America Secular Fundamentalism In America (Communism Parading As Liberty) Christian Underground ^ | Jan. 8, 2005 | Gary Schneider The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com --- Secular Fundamentalism in America by Gary Schneider Jan 6, 2005 Have you forgotten already? Has the anger, angst and concern you felt just a few short weeks ago dissipated as you recall the opprobrious attempts by secularists to suppress your First Amendment rights, and oppress people of faith that Rating: 5

[Torog]

A secular America--is a doomed nation..like a snowball..headed for Hell.

What say you ?

[Torog]

A secular America--is a doomed nation..like a snowball..headed for Hell.

What say you ?

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[juggalo420]

- The right to display the Ten Commandments on public grounds has been lost or is being challenged in Alabama, Ohio, Kentucky and Texas to name a few.

the abilty to put them in court houses, which are suppose to be blind to race and religion is challenged, and rightfully so. also why the fuck does anyone need a 2 ton monument of the ten commandments anyway, but if you do put it on your front lawn no problem there, not where my tax dollars go.

- A California School district forbids teacher from providing handouts that reference significant documents in U.S. history because they mention God.

no thats not true if you know the facts from the case, not the religious rights version. The teacher was handing out documents which he edited to give a skewed view of history by overplaying christianitys role in the founding of the nation.

In Pennsylvania, Christians face up to 47 years in prison for reading the Bible in public during a homosexual event. And many more egregious examples of attempts by such fundamentalists to restrict the freedom of religion, expression and individual liberty, from sea to shining sea, are ongoing.

once again you have the facts wrong, first off there was more than one guy involved it was an entire church group, they didnt just reading the bible they were screaming at the gays about how their abominations and going to hell(hate speech), they were also charged with inciting a riot, and the 47years is the maximum punishment for all the church members, which figures to be about a year each, and anyway the district attorney showed little interest as did the gay group whose parade it was, in inforcing the max. punishment, a few may get probation but not 47 fuckn years.

some of the points you make are legitimate like the boy scouts being banned from state parks, and how its no longer christmas vacation in school but rather winter. But the bulk of your argument about how theres a conspiracy against christianity is bullshit. no ones stopping you from going to church or putting the ten commandments or a nativity scene on your property. i just dont want the goverment which i pay taxes to, to waste my money on religious displays and shove religion in my face when i go to city hall or a court. You guys play the victim so fucking much its sickening, i thought in the bible theres a saying 'give unto ceaser what is ceasers and unto god what is gods' that means the goverment isnt suppose to prop religion up, and to deal with it when god isnt in the goverment. Also i guess you believe im going to hell so why not let me have a good time on earth being a atheist, youll have enough religion if theres a heaven and you get to go to it.

[F L E S H]

Torog, you're a cool guy, but sometimes you really spout a lot of bullshit... I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless. Let's agree to disagree and smoke a fat joint together

[Torog]

Torog, you're a cool guy, but sometimes you really spout a lot of bullshit... I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless. Let's agree to disagree and smoke a fat joint together

Howdy FLESH,

Thanx for them kind words,and I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to agree to disagree..I'm always ready to toke a big doobie !

I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless.

me neither. I totally disagree with Torog on this one - Church and State should be seperate on all acounts. If not, then its just another form of predujice. But, for once, I digress (and i dont want torog to call me a "youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness" lol)

[larry]

Why would christian church groups get to operate for free?

Pay the tax assholes!

[Torog]

me neither. I totally disagree with Torog on this one - Church and State should be seperate on all acounts. If not, then its just another form of predujice. But, for once, I digress (and i dont want torog to call me a "youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness" lol)

Howdy GhostToker,

I agree with y'all,that church and state,should be seperate,acknowledging that our inalienable rights are derived from our Creator-and not Man,is not an establishment of religion...it's an expression of American values and ideals.

Banning all manner of religious expression in the public square-is an extreme,secular prejudice..don't ya think ?

Btw,you may not be a 'youngun'...but have you checked to see lately,whether you are bogged down in pc'ism and liberalism ? LoL

Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

Banning all manner of religious expression in the public square-is an extreme,secular prejudice..don't ya think ?

Btw,you may not be a 'youngun'...but have you checked to see lately,whether you are bogged down in pc'ism and liberalism ? LoL

lol

Firstly, I do think that people take it too far. Im not religious, and i dont think any religion should be forced upon anyone.. but i think religious people should be allowed to express their religion however they want..

i dont like political correctness either, torog. lol I try not to offend anybodies race, religion, sex, sexual preference, or anything, but i dont think we should be forced to respect eachother either.. if somebody wants to be prejudice, then its their right to do so, as much as i disagree with it.. thats why i dont like all this political correctness crap (and also, the PC Brigade (lol) are trying to get all types of religious jokes banned from TV.. which means most of my favourite TV shows will be banned lol )

i dont really know if i can be called liberal.. i believe what i believe, not because those beliefs come under any category.. if my beliefs can be defined as liberal, then so be it, but im not TRYING to be anything except me