Atheist Sues to Thwart Inauguration Prayer (Newdow)

[Torog]

Atheist Sues to Thwart Inauguration Prayer (Newdow)
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 1/06/05 | AP


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - An atheist who sued because he did not want his young daughter exposed to the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance has filed a suit to bar the saying of a prayer at President Bush's inauguration.

Michael Newdow notes that two ministers delivered Christian invocations at Bush's first inaugural ceremony in 2001, and that plans call for a minister to do the same before Bush takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

In a lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Newdow says the use of a prayer is unconstitutional. The case is tentatively scheduled Jan. 14.

Last year, the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals tossed the same lawsuit, saying Newdow did not suffer "a sufficiently concrete and specific injury." But the decision did not bar him from filing the challenge in a different circuit.

Newdow is best known for trying to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

He won that case more than two years ago before a federal appeals court, which said it was an unconstitutional blending of church and state for public school students to pledge to God.

In June, however, the Supreme Court said Newdow could not lawfully sue because he did not have custody of his elementary school-aged daughter, on whose behalf he sued, and because the girl's mother objected to the suit.

Newdow refiled the pledge suit in Sacramento federal court this week, naming eight other plaintiffs who are custodial parents or the children themselves.

Torog Reviewed by Torog on 01-08-2005. Atheist Sues to Thwart Inauguration Prayer (Newdow) Atheist Sues to Thwart Inauguration Prayer (Newdow) Las Vegas Sun ^ | 1/06/05 | AP SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - An atheist who sued because he did not want his young daughter exposed to the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance has filed a suit to bar the saying of a prayer at President Bush's inauguration. Michael Newdow notes that two ministers delivered Christian invocations at Bush's first inaugural ceremony in 2001, and that plans call for a minister to do the same before Bush Rating: 5

[Torog]

Howdy Y'all,

This Newdow feller is really gittin on my nerves,I can only hope and pray,that everything he does-fails.

I respect everyones right to believe as they wish-but this feller is goin overboard..and it's time to bring his butt to a screechin halt.

America is and hopefully always will be-a Christian nation..period.

I really want to cloud up and rain on this sob's parade !

[Nullific]

AMERICA IS NOT A FUCKING CHRISTIAN NATION YOU PRICK.

If you truly "respect everyones right to believe as they wish" then you would consider that...whether you like it or not there are millions of people in america who simply ARE NOT CHRISTIAN or DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. There should be NO connection between church and state especially at the federal level.

[Nullific]

Oh yes and how is he going too far now?

You do know that "under god" was not originally part of the pledge anyways right?
Sorry if I sounded harsh but again your signature says

God Bless Those Who Choose To Protect Our Freedom !

and yet you dont seem concered with freedom at all, freedom would be actually recognizing people who don't believe in god and accepting that thereby not performing any christian activities at a federal event such as inauguration. When you say shit like

America is and hopefully always will be-a Christian nation..period.

all it does it make you look like an intolerant christo-fascist dickhole.
Its like saying "Everyone should have the right to believe what they want...but that majority should be christian or else!"

[Encatuse]

Nullific - I realllllllly think it's important you see the movie SLC Punk!
And quick!

[Torog]

AMERICA IS NOT A F*CKING CHRISTIAN NATION YOU PRICK.

If you truly "respect everyones right to believe as they wish" then you would consider that...whether you like it or not there are millions of people in america who simply ARE NOT CHRISTIAN or DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. There should be NO connection between church and state especially at the federal level.

Howdy Nullific,

Christians still out-number those who don't believe in God,and we are not going to be dragged down to the level of the fraction of the populace,that wants to drag down America and destroy all moral values.

Christian values,give children a solid footing in Life,whereas those children who do not learn Christian values,are doomed to live Life, on a slippery slope of amoral values.

I find,that I cannot trust anyone who believes that our inalienable rights-are derived from Man..that includes politicians,America should always acknowledge,that our inalienable rights are derived from God..and that America would quickly fall from the Grace of God-if America turns our backs on Him.

[GHoSToKeR]

Howdy Nullific,

Christians still out-number those who don't believe in God,and we are not going to be dragged down to the level of the fraction of the populace,that wants to drag down America and destroy all moral values.

Christian values,give children a solid footing in Life,whereas those children who do not learn Christian values,are doomed to live Life, on a slippery slope of amoral values.

I find,that I cannot trust anyone who believes that our inalienable rights-are derived from Man..that includes politicians,America should always acknowledge,that our inalienable rights are derived from God..and that America would quickly fall from the Grace of God-if America turns our backs on Him.

Even though im not american, i'm totally offended by that.

firstly, you say anyone that isnt raised a christian is "doomed to live Life, on a slippery slope of amoral values". That means anybody who doesnt raise their child as a christian must be a bad parent. Well, im sorry, but my mum aint a christian and she is definately a great parent. Secondly, im not a christian, and i still have morals - probably the same as you, although im not as prejudice as you.

[Torog]

Even though im not american, i'm totally offended by that.

firstly, you say anyone that isnt raised a christian is "doomed to live Life, on a slippery slope of amoral values". That means anybody who doesnt raise their child as a christian must be a bad parent. Well, im sorry, but my mum aint a christian and she is definately a great parent. Secondly, im not a christian, and i still have morals - probably the same as you, although im not as prejudice as you.

Howdy GhostToker,

You're right-what I said was offensive,and I apologize.

The reason I said it was,was because certain behaviours and acts,are viewed as sins by religious values,and children of Faith, are taught not to commit sin. There's punishment for disobeying God..what punishment or deterrent,can your mother provide-that could ever equal God's punishment ? Why did you ever feel compelled to obey your parents or do good ?

What good can ever come,of placing Man as the highest authority ? How is it-that you can trust the word of a fellow human,to guide you and safe-guard your inalienable rights ?

Maybe I am somewhat prejudiced-I never claimed to be perfect..indeed-no Man is perfect..unlike God.

Have a good one...Torog

[GHoSToKeR]

what punishment or deterrent,can your mother provide-that could ever equal God's punishment ? Why did you ever feel compelled to obey your parents or do good ?

my mum doesnt use 'punishments', but I respect her, and she respects me, and we get along fine.. Im a normal guy, I work, I pay taxes, I dont break the law (except, of course, for smoking weed ), I have good morals and ethics, and I can think for myself. In other words, i'm a normal member of society.

To your second question - I've always felt compelled to obey my mother, not because she frightens me into being good by saying i'm going to go to hell, but because she has always shown me enough respect and given me the chance to decide whats right and wrong on my own - in other words, she lets me decide for myself. Now, she hasnt done this out of neglect, or not caring, but because she does care, and wants me to grow into a self-sustaining, responsible adult.. and I show others the respect that my mum has shown me. Also, I feel compelled to 'do good' because I liek to treat others how I like to be treated

Torog, we've obviously been raised differently. We will probably raise our children differently. But just because we have different beliefs - you a Christian, me agnostic - doesnt mean that either of us is wrong; we're just different.

[Torog]

Howdy GhostToker,

You stated:"Torog, we've obviously been raised differently. We will probably raise our children differently. But just because we have different beliefs - you a Christian, me agnostic - doesnt mean that either of us is wrong; we're just different. "

I believe that essentially,you're probably right-however..I do feel that a parent should teach their children,right from wrong,not allow the children to decide.

Children,should be treated as children-not like little adults..liberals and gays,in America,are exploiting our children,and usurping parental authority,by treating children as little adults. I didn't treat my daughter like an adult,until she turned 18,I gave her more responsibility,as she grew older,but I was always the final arbiter of moral decisions..also,I didn't stop being a parent,once she grew up..I still give her advice and counsel-and will continue to do so,in a constructive way,with room for discussion,for the rest of my life.

Have a good one...Torog