yes vingt. we have 2 other kids , but my problem is we only got to hold her after she died and she looked like a little old lady all shrivvelled up and she was a greyish green color, didn't look like a baby at all, more like something from a horror film, thats how i remember her its a image i wish i could erase from my memory i think thats why i find it hard and also knowing my wife is still hurting after all these years doesn't help, on her birthday and on the 4th july when she died this image keeps running around my head.