Christian Bible Debate (Kuulbns and meek mike)

[meek mike]

Great way to put it. I could have used your help a few weeks ago. Glad you're here. Wine in the bible is another topic I like to talk with other Christians about. Most churchs and pastors will say drinking is wrong. No matter how much or how little the person drinks. They preach thier own convictions and screw up because not everyone is convicted the way they are. I like to show scripture to them about drinking like:

Proverbs 31:6-7 (New International Version)

Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

Matthew 11:19 (New International Version)

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, â??Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and â??sinners.â?� â?? But wisdom is proved right by her actions.â?�

Those two verse tend to end all arguments.

Peace be with you.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

meek mike Reviewed by meek mike on 01-08-2005. Christian Bible Debate (Kuulbns and meek mike) Kuublns- This is most of my studies on the subject and what I do. Feel free to pick it apart word for word. I'm looking forward to your response. Sorry I can't shorten it up for you but this way it gets everything out all at once. God Bless. 1) GOD GAVE IT TO US Genesis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. Rating: 5

[Belleza]

yeah ur right about me not readin ur posts, some of them are just too dam long. sorry bout that. im just lazy to scroll all the way down, then read it. then read it again. then, yeah. but i read most of it. and i got a question for you. why do ppl make a big fuss about the 10 commandments if jesus died kuz we weren't gonna follow them? i think it was in another thread that u said " i belive:..." i don't remember tho. like i said, i dont' read the whole thing.

[Belleza]

I believe....

Jesus was a man, born of a virgin.

Jesus is God's son.

Jesus is God in physical form.
(just like I am a husband, father, son, brother. All different roles but all the same person)

Jesus was sinless.

Jesus was our sacrifice to clean us from all our screw ups (aka our sins).

Jesus in one day defeated Satan and freed us all from any rules like the ten commandments because we couldn't live up to them.

Jesus then died and three days later arose from the grave by Gods power.

All we have to do is believe who he said he is (faith) and do as he asked which was to love everyone.

I don't knwo if that is what your looking for regading your question but I can go on just need to know what topic your looking for.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[Belleza]

^^ mike, that was ur quote.

[FrenchInhale]

I still believe that a person as a christian is suppose to follow the ten commandments... he didn't free us from rules.. he freed us from the sin of breaking those rules...

[meek mike]

Belleza-(it's long and my personal view not all Christians feel the same)

I don't read all the post either. Sometimes I'm to stoned, to lazy, or just don't care to read at that time. It happens so I don't mind if you didn't read it all cause it's all good.

why do ppl make a big fuss about the 10 commandments if jesus died kuz we weren't gonna follow them?

That is a great question. It takes some Christians years and years to realize it. In fact it took me over nine years until I sat down and looked into what I believe. I was one of those kids that got filled with my parents religion. But I felt God in my religion so I stuck with it. Most people believe what they want to believe and don't really look deep into thier beliefs or thier religion they just go by what the pastor says or what they are taught in sunday school. Just like I'm to lazy or what not to read a few lines from someone here people are way to lazy to read the Bible. I mean look at it it's frigen huge. It's not like other books either. You can't just sart at he begining and work your way back it's way to hard. I know I've tried that a few times. When I got to about page 15 I was ready to give up and say "I believe what I was taught." instead of looking up for myself. Sorry to ramble on, to your question:

I have no clue why Chrsitians give so much fuss over the ten commandments. If they would only read what they believe in they would find out we don't have to live by those rules since Christ took them away. Just look at what the Bible says:

Romans 7:6 (New International Version)

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

When it says by dying it is metaphoricly speaking of accepting Christ. Our old self passes away and we become new in God's eyes. Clean and clear of all sin past, present, and future. Cause Jesus could only die once in the physical so when he did that he took away everyones all at the same time. My screw ups like when I stole all those..... never mind. By accepting Christ we are not bound by the ten commandments. God aka Jesus knew we couldn't up hold them cause everyone has lied, lusted, stole, etc. It's impossible for us to not do those things. But Jesus didn't do any of them thats why he was and is the perfect sacrifice to clear us of those screw ups in God's eyes. Another verse:

Romans 8:2-4 (21st Century King James Version)

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

The law of sin and death is I believe the ten commandments. We sin because we are human and can't up hold the law. We deserve death because we can't observe the law like God asked. When it says walk according to the spirit I believe it to be follow your conscience. Your conscience always tells you what your doing is right or wrong there for I believe the conscience is the Holy Spirit. So to walk according to the spirit I believe is to do the right thing cause your conscience will let you know if you didn't.

Sorry again to go off on this subject. If you couldn't tell it's one of my passions. Just to be blunt about your question I'd have to answer:

I don't know why they do. Lack of knowing there beliefs would be my best guess.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[Belleza]

well thanx for answering my question. enough of this forum, im goin to the sex one. hee hee...