Christian Bible Debate (Kuulbns and meek mike)

[Belleza]

i was trying to clarify what kuulbns was saying about mike. just in different words, that's not what i personally was thinking about mike. i know people interpret the bible in different ways, but i wanted to make sure i knew what kuulbns meant when he called mike a charlatan and a blasphemer.

[meek mike]

Just where does it say smoke herbs Hmmm?

I was wondering that myself. Just where in my post does it say the word herb anyways. Oh, it doesn't. Did you even read my post cause you didn't chat about any of it. YOu just start to call names and prejudge. It's ok thou, I forgive you for that. Just next time READ.

Taking a piece of scripture out of context is as old as Methusalah.

If your going to accuse me of something as drastic as that, PLEASE show me the scriptures I did it to. You know proof. It shouldn't be that hard for since I gave every scripture there for you to easily copy and paste.

You sir are a blasphemer and a charlatan.

Again, please show proof of your claims not just accusations or opinions about the person. JUST SHOW PROOF.

You have every right to your opinion but you are wrong to twist scripture to fit your purpose.

Again with the accusations and no proof. If your going to accuse someone at least give them a chance to defend themselves by giving proof of there allegide wrong doings.

David Koresh had the answers also, as did Jim Jones.

I don't claim to have the answers what I do claim is Jesus Christ. What I do preach is salvation through his blood that he freely gave up as a sacrifice to forgive all of man kind.

Try walking the walk if you're going to talk the talk.

I've been walking that walk since I was 19. But of course you wouldn't knwo that you would alone accuse someone. I'm seeing a patern here. All accusations and no proof in the pudding.

It's wrong to mislead others by telling them what you think they want to hear.

How exactly am I misleading others. I'm leading or at least trying to lead people to the forgiveness Jesus Christ offers. Telling people what they want to hear. Now that is a first for me. If you look back over all my post and I've said that before cause I highly doubt you will but looking back you will see I don't hold punchs and I never tell people what they want to hear just to do so. If anything I try to encourage people not just feed them ear candy.

Sacrament my left rear cheek.

I think it would be your right cheek but of course I could be wrong.

Not much debating on your side but maybe sometime today you'll pick up the ball and run with it.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[meek mike]

You may also enjoy reading the post by "Thesignalreceivers". Same end time theories, the Rapture, Tribulation, fun stuff.

SO not only do you provide no proof of your slander you put me in the catergory of end times fun stuff. Come on Kuublns. Think before typing.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[mr chinnery]

I'm the first to admit that I don't know much about the bible, but Colossians 2:20-23 (according to http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fa/B...eVerseID/29518) is about "Many of the people who had come into the Colossian church had brought their pagan philosophies with them, and they soon began to have an adverse influence on the entire congregation at Colossae. Paul corrects the people in the church who were doing this in Colossians 2:20-23.

Apparently, some of the people had begun thinking that self-imposed asceticism could somehow contribute to their salvation, and had begun turning away from trusting in Christ. They had more faith in their unchristian works. Paul warned them about this in Colossians 2:8: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."
I think Kuublns is right in saying you took this out of context Mike.

[meek mike]

Using religious jargon to confront religious jargon is what I was trying to do.

You would have done better if you had proof to your claims. Only opinions and accusations.

Why not just tel the truth, I get high.

Of course I get high, but I have a purpose when I do. Three things COnversations, Relaxation, or Meditation.

Something I wonder about, is tabacco one of the "bitter herbs" they (The ThC Ministry) proscribe to?

No we believe cannabis can help anyone that is trying to break that addiction. So you can stop wondering now cause you know that answer.

but as a human I do get a lil bit up tight when something hits me as being extremely phony.

Ok, explain how I am phony.

Though Mike may be at heart a nice sincere guy (who knows) I do wish that people would stop trying to justify their habits by saying God said so.

God didn't say so and I didn't say God said so. Putting words in my mouth. Thats a good way to prove a point with no proof.

Osama Bin Laden thinks he is doing his Lord's work. The same with any religious fanatic. David Koresh said God told him to take multiple wives, some as young as 10 years old, and tried to justify it with scripture from the Old Testament.

You compare me to these people. WOW, you must really like me. Eplain how I am even close to these people.

decided that I needed to study without the fear of being disobedient to a Pastor.

Dang, you couldn't study in less you had your pastors approval. What religion was that?

If someone should choose to believe in the whole Christian doctrine, great, but please at least take one thing from it, be honest at least try to be.

Are you saying that I'm not honest? If so please explain how I'm dishonest.

I smoke,..therefore I am Kuu
PS Sis Kuu=Female LMAO

I smoke to. Never said I didn't. Never said I didn't for my enjoyment. I just smoke with a purpose.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[meek mike]

Mr. Chinnery-

Lets look at the verse and what it says.

Colossians 2:20-23

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world,

I am a Christian, I am dead the basicx principles of this world.

why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"?

I don't think handleing, tasting, or touching anything is a sin because. Well the begining to the verse. I'm dead to the basic principles of this world.

These are all destined to perish with use,because they are based on human commands and teachings.

The man made rules die with the man.

Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body,

Not touching, handleing, tasting things do sound good to the average Christian because the average Christian hasn't looked up in detail what is ok for them.

but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

By not handling, touching, tasting does nothing to stop sin in ones life. It as the verse says makes one think they are humble.

What it was in referece to thousands of years ago I don't know. I only know how the verse applys to my life. So in that sense I believe you and kuublns are wronmg by saying I took it out of context.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[kuulbns]

I guess my post was understood a little better by some than by others. Yes, I am a Christian, it's part of who I am, not all that I am. I was reaised in an extreme religious faction, (U.P.C.). Finding much that I could not agree with as being Biblical in the denomination, I chose to study and learn of many differant Theologies. I admit, I was ticked off and reacted more hastily than I normally would. If you want to read about the use of bitter herbs, read "Thesignalrecievers" post. It's another post I just couldn't agree with, but he does have the scripture quotes. Mike, good life to ya. I don't agree with you, but hey, whatever. I'm not going to follow up on this as I find it brings my high down. Normally I don't bother much with these posts. I appologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. It was very late and I was not feeling 100%, this is not an excuse for being intolerant, just trying to explain why I was impatient. In the future I will keep my opinions to myself. I wish you all the best life has to offer. Kuu

[meek mike]

unless mike doesn't enjoy toking it up...which i doubt. a christian reading that part about herbs would think of a million things before weed poped up in their head. and why just bud? what about coke? opium? mike did not mention any other herb to talk about.

What part about herbs is that. The only one that talked about herbs was Kuublns. You didn't read my post either. All you both did just jump to conclutions talking as if you knwo what I said when you have I guess no clue on the subject.

Why not coke?

Simple, you let me know where I can get some 100% coke and I'll not only make hella cash I'll start talking about it too.

Why not opium?

Same thing, you let me know where some 100% opium is not only will I make hella cash but I'll start talking about it to.

I didn't mention any herb at all so your right in saying I didn't mention any other herb. Of course you would have had to read what I wrote to know that.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[meek mike]

Sorry to bring your high down kuublns. I hope you too have a great life and as a Christian sister I'll be praying for you. You didn't offend me or I think anyone else so don't stress over that. One day in heaven we'll have to get together and blaze a fatty. One Love (for me it's Jesus). God Bless and may my Lord watch, protect, guide, and direct your life to inner peace and happieness.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[Blisterize]

...think of it this way:

God never condemned drinking wine in the Bible. He does, however, repeatedly condemn DRUNKENESS!

If you can apply this principal in tandem with faith and sincerely believe that His will must be done in your life to secure your own heavenly rewards (not salvation), you will have YOUR answer to the marijuana dilemma.