"Sicko", Moores best yet.

[FreeVenice]

I can honestly say i hated Moore for "Fahrenheit", i thought it was a low way to turn a profit without sharing any new information. I do plan on watching "Sicko" though, in fact I got a link if anyone wants.

here is the latest Doc I have seen, it will really open your eyes, if your American. http://boards.cannabis.com/tv-movies...m-fascism.html

[Runaway Jim]

Actually I believe that welfare should be eliminated and the education system is completely screwed up. And socialism doesn't work. People begin to realize that they dont have to work to get the same damn thing that the working people do. Why work when you can get it for free? Not everyone has a good work ethic.

Is that a joke? I live around many people that are on welfare, and i can safely say that for every piece of shit welfare abuser that spends the money for other things, there are 2 families that sincerely need the money, i guess living out there in nice ass PA you wouldn't understand that... do hicks get welfare or just rob convenience stores? The fact is, on a minimum wage job, it is exceedingly hard, almost impossible to put a security deposit down for an apartment, let alone afford permanent housing, and minimum wage jobs are extremely prevalent in many of the worse areas of my (and many other) cities. Welfare can be a life saver in these types of situations.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

In ancient rome the fire dept. was a private company. If your house caught on fire they came out, but only actually put out the fire if you had enough money to pay them. Sounds crazy, huh? But that's how the US health care system works. Your house probably will never catch fire, but you are gonna get sick. In a couple thousand years people will look back and wonder why the richest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen tolerated such a situation.

Just wondering, what kind of technology would the Romans have to put out house fires? Did they actually have pressurized water to connect some hoses to?

[andruejaysin]

I don't think so. They did have running water, but I think it was some kind of horse drawn water tank with a manual pump.

[nightlight]

ive heard some great things about this movie. every day my boss tells me i have to go see it with him.

[andruejaysin]

Sorry, to stoned to type:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Nailhead]

When talking about health care in the US there seem to be two people with their type of thinking

a) People that have had experience with the bad side of our broken health care system

and

b) People that have just been lucky

I really get sick of the people that won't see the movie simply because they don't like Moore personally, what a lame excuse to not see a movie! I have seen some of those pro bush movies made after F911 on the blockbuster shelves, and I've thought about watching them simply to see another perspective on things, but some people are just so dumb that they want to make sure all their news and information is spoon fed from the same source they usually get it, my God it would be the end of the world if they ever had to admit Moore made an informative interesting documentary!!

I've seen the movie a few times, and I keep telling everyone I know to see it because it is important. I can understand the conservative view of not getting a free ride, but Jesus Christ we are talking about health and keeping people alive, if you think that is something to be reserved for those that can afford it then you seriously have something wrong with your way of thinking. It's not like your tax dollars would be going to pay for a service you wouldn't be using yourself, so enough with this "I don't want to pay for someone else" crap. We don't get to choose a healthy life, shit happens, people get cancer, or in my case Crohn's, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it but pray we don't get too sick to work because without that job, and without those benefits, we are as good as dead.

I don't know what the best solution to our health care problems would be, I'm not saying what we should do, but I can tell you that we need to move the focus off of money, and onto patient health. I was a bit ignorant to just how bad our health system was until I saw Sicko, but now it's like I have just been opened up to how obviously wrong it all is. I had a dentist appointment a while back and my dentist said he would call my insurance to see if a certain procedure was covered so I could have that....why the hell should that type of conversation ever even take place? A doctor should never have to even worry about costs, nor should the patient. His focus should only be on what is best for me and my health, THAT'S IT!! If he is thinking about money he can't possibly treat me in the best way.

Every time I get a bill from my doctor I always look to see how much things cost and I'm so glad I have insurance, but many times when I was in-between jobs I wouldn't have been covered, so what would I have had to do then if I had a severe flare up and started shitting blood? What would you people do that go on about how our system is fine the way it is if you started having that kind of problem? You would then realize it isn't a good system at all, but instead because you've never had the pleasure of loosing so much weight you feel like a walking skeleton, or throwing up what little you try to eat, you continue beating the drum of "This nation is perfect, this nation is perfect, our health care is just fine" bla bla bla

As you can see, I'm a little passionate on this issue, but like I mentioned before, it's because I'm part of group a), those that are part of group b) will eventually find your way to group a), trust me, give it time...

[FreshNugz]

I was skeptical, like many, because of the way M.Moore tends to leave out some things to ensure you only see what he saw, and in turn come to the conclusions he makes...BUT..

I was very impressed with this film. It seems he has recognized that the best way to do one of these films is to feed off of information that everyone could agree upon, instead of making claims that nobody knows anything about and therefore they have to believe him. That might not have made sense..so for example...he flaunts the notion of sick americans unable to afford treatment...which most could agree is unsettling. He didn't choose to portray half truths, or blame a hollywood movie star for the problems of violence in America.

I enjoyed several parts of this, especially the parts about Canada...no surprise. I would be interested to know if most Americans think the same...during the part where M.Moore goes to Canada..and is on the golf course with the Canadian man...Moore says "why would I pay for everyone else's ailments with my tax dollars. Why worry about more than my health, or fund it"..and the guy puts it perfectly when he says "because we would do the same for them." Watching this part, I had the same responses to Moore's questions. It isn't even a question...why do you pay for others to get care...because its what you do!!!!! It's the nice way...the Canadian way. Compassion in its greatest abundance.

It's true in Canada we don't ask questions about paying into our taxes, because we know there are people who cannot afford medicine and treatment, and we don't wish that upon anyone. Tommy Douglas(so glad he was mentioned) made Canadians realize the importance, and benefits of universal health care. I am extremely proud of our health care system(though it has its issues). I would hate to have to pay for a test, an x-ray, or just a simple check for something that might be wrong. I feel safer..in the context of not having a huge bill for being safe and going to the doctor and seeing if there is a problem. I feel for America, as this should be practiced more south of the border.

Socialism has issues, but at the end of the day, would it not be nice to have access to a doctor at any time, without the financial burden?

Lastly, I did find humour in the young woman who comes to Canada, and lies saying she lives common law with her friend, just to get health care. Touching and all, that she has found a way for treatments...but I wonder if she realizes how much she is abusing the system. And how illegal it is to do what she's doing. I wouldn't be surprised if that arrangement doesn't work out for her in the long run. She is doing the same as some newcomers to the country...abusing the system. It's those people that Canadians don't take kindly to. And those people that I am less inclined to want to pay my taxes to help. Just found it interesting and all.
Anyways, hopefully America will fix this problem...fast! That way your citizens don't need to abuse our social programs.:rasta:

[Nailhead]

^Yea I was a little annoyed by that girl, why not just move to Canada and pay your damn taxes? It's not fair to other Canadians to have to pay higher taxes because of people like her. Can't say I blame her, people will do what they have to do to survive, but I could never do something like that myself. I'd rather just move and be a proud Canadian.

There were some issues in the movie, but really few people are talking about our health care, they are talking about what they think the movie is about. I was watching an interview with some no-name republican presidential nominee and he was going on about saying how the movie makes Cuba's health system look way better than ours, but anybody that actually saw the film knows that wasn't true. Never did Moore claim Cuba had better health care, the point was these 9/11 heros had to go to a 3rd world country to get the health care the US denied them, that was the point, and nobody wants to talk about that and why any 9/11 heros are struggling with their health. Everybody just wants to talk about Moore himself and not the reality that our health system is broken.

Yes Moore makes highly biased films he calls documentaries, yes he sometimes scrubs some issues to make a point, but at the end of the day does that make him a liar when he says our health system is not as good as it could be? If you think that is true then you must also think the World Health Organization is lying when they ranked the US at number 37 for it's health care. As bad as some people try to make Canada's health care system, it still ranked better than ours so obviously we have some work to do...but nobody wants to change anything, they just want to talk about the big fat guy that makes movies....