howver much it takes to make it the size around as a dime (the coin) often getting as big around as a quarter (of course that can't be one with normal phillies, if i plan on rolling something that fat i have to get a true blunt wrap.... and incase anyone tries to say i'm bsing.... well i' mnot.. i don't smoke chronic... i can afford to do it... anything less than the diamter of a dime is to be point in a joint or not rolled at all)