thanks for replies
don't know what possessed me to call them pre flowers,they're already on 12/12,have been for around a week,these are just the 1st to start doing anything
i have 9 plants in total,2 clones so they're female and 7 from seed
in the pics pic 1+2 are same plant as are 3+4
had a feeling pics 3+4 were male but just not sure about the 1st 2,wil find out soon enough,i'm kinda hoping for 3 females from the 7 seeds