should XScotlandX go independant?

[Staurm]

I'm not a Salmond supporter, I'm just weighing up the pro's and con's of independence.

[postmandave]

There is defenetly pros and cons to be weighed up but lets at least search out honest people to deliver those pros and cons to the people then it could be at least properly debated but the Scottish people seem to be getting hoodwinked into following salmonds patriotic rants.He knows we are a passionate race and he is playing the passoin card at every oppertunity.
Politicians .Who in there right mind would want to be a politician.

To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity." and salmond has none of those.
dave.
Actually the only politician i have came across lately who seems to have both these qualities is Ron Paul the american .I watched his debate with gulliani at new hampshire and he well impressed me. far and few they are though.dave

[Staurm]

What your alternative, the unelected boy wonder Gordon Brown? At least Alex Salmond was elected. You can never trust the will of the electorate though, people are generally too stupid.

[Psycho4Bud]

I put a sticky on this thread for ya.....sorry for the delay. Just so ya know, when a member puts up a poll in here I try to put up a sticky for them and when the time frame for the poll has run out or if the member feels that the thread has outlived its usefullness.....then I'll remove it. Just let me know when.......

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Staurm]

Thanks. I haven't voted in the poll myself, I am undecided. Can you change your vote, say if you change your mind later on? I think it would be a good idea to have a running poll, but I'm pretty sure its not possible to do that. The main thing is the discussion anyway. :thumbs up:

[Psycho4Bud]

Once ya vote your locked in.......

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Staurm]

In the same way, if you vote for the wrong suit in a real election, your stuck with the joker for 4 years?

[postmandave]

The fun begins,now we see what Salmond is made of

28 June 2007
NATS DERAILED
Salmond suffers first defeat over tram plans
By Magnus Gardham
[align=left]ALEX Salmond's government crashed to their first Holyrood defeat yesterday after MSPs voted to save two key transport projects.
The Executive were heavily outvoted on their pledge to scrap Edinburgh's planned tram network and airport rail link.
The defeat - by 81 to 47 - prompted a climbdown by finance secretary John Swinney.
He agreed to press ahead with the trams blueprint. He also said he would reconsider the rail link scheme, despite the fact that it was criticised by spending watchdogs.
Swinney will now try to iron out problems with the rail link before MSPs vote again in the autumn.
The SNP had campaigned against both schemes before May's Holyrood elections. And before yesterday's vote, transport minister Stewart Stevenson repeated his opposition.

But Labour, Lib Dem and Tory MSPs joined forces to defeat Salmond's minority government.

Labour MSP Des McNulty said: "It's a good day for democracy." The vote was not binding, but Swinney said he accepted the wishes of parliament.

Both projects will cost about £600million each. Swinney said he would honour the £490million already committed to the trams - but not a penny more.

That means only part of the project will go ahead unless cash can be found elsewhere.

Swinney said he would look again at the Edinburgh Airport Rail Link (EARL), but said it was unlikely to get the go ahead.

He said : "In my personal opinion, EARL is pretty dead. There are practical problems such as tunnelling under a live runway, getting the type of trains that do not exist yet to run on the system and problems with the project board."

Transport minister Stevenson backed a second Forth crossing, which will almost certainly be a bridge.

But there were problems with other transport schemes.

A planned Borders rail link is in doubt after the government refused to come up with extra cash.

The Glasgow Airport Rail Link will be delayed by a year, not opening until 2012.

The Aberdeen bypass will also be put back a year until the end of 2012.

And the M74 extension in Glasgow could face delays after Stevenson ordered a cost review.[/align]

[Staurm]

How are the greens positioned on this, I'd imagine they are against as it is probably a complete waste of money. Does edinburgh need a tram link to the airport? Bus service seems to be efficient enough.

[postmandave]

The bus service is more than sufficient. they just seem to want more money to play with.They have just finished the super train between glasgow and edinburgh it travels at 270 mph does the journey in 15 minutes . I went on it last week and its crazy there is a large speedometer in each carrige and watching that speed build up is kinda scary it pulls out glasgow central at 50mph and as it turn the first bend it hits 170mph and after the second bend you are pulled back on yer seat as it hits 270mph its very smooth almost like flying the train kinda hovers.Is that money well spent? dont think so all that cash to cut 25mins from the journey. the money could have been better spent helping scotlands homless and old folk.I predict all the other parties turning against Salmond and going for the throat.dave