sorry about the bad run of luck you guys. I am not really able to visualize what you are talking about vetteman. You guys should both check out the grow in my signature I think it would help you a lot if you are planning an ebb and flow or a DWC system. I have 3 plants very simply made cheapest as possible. I recommend doing a ton of research before formulating a final plan and TALK to your local hydro store employees if you are lucky enough to have a store around you. http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...wc-grow-4.html