def. water bongs with ice in the water.....gets you way more fucked up the the same ammount in a joint....cuz just think....when you hit a bowl if you know how you only burn enough to give you the hit..maybe more...but for the same ammount in a joint it just keeps burning...even when you ain't hitting it....sweets/joints/anything rolled is for atleast two or more ppl....prefferably about 5 or 6 so you can take the hit hold it until it comes back.....the most least unwasteful on rolled weed.