What is your version of THE TRUTH?

[GraziLovesMary]

Ill start:

So this is something I posted in a discussion about religion, philosphy, theology, and how they all fit in with the rest of the Universe...

Over the past few years of intensely searching for the truth, scouring every document on theology I could find, pouring over numerous manuscripts from ancient civilizations, perusing endless textbooks and publications on Nuclear, Quantum and Theoretical physics, and long, drawn-out, intense sessions of introspective meditation, I have started formulating my own perspective on the Universe. When I say the universe, I also include the idea of "God", or a higher power, that may have had some kind of effect on us and our beginnings, as I believe it is a very real part of the puzzle.

My work is faaaarr from done, however here is a short (compared to the finished product, that is) journey into my thought process so far:


Alright well first off, I denounce religion because it is man made, and tries to assert authority as if it was created by the divine. FUCK THAT. It may have been INSPIRED by "God" or the thought of "God, " but the fact still remains that it was entirely set up by human beings, and that fact is inevitable.

That doesnt mean that I dismiss spirituality because that is personal and unique to each individual. And much different than an organization of similar-minded people who are all bound by dogmatic law and stipulation that have been mandated by a patriarchial organization for thousands of years. Which, by the way, is way outdated.

So the biggest flaw I find in religion is the concept that "God" is a singular being with emotions of his own... an agenda of his own, sitting in the clouds making people out of clay and flinging lightning bolts to the Earth. I hear many people say things like "Our God is a vengeant God" "Our God is a jealous God" .... umm... what? Vengance is a human imperfection, as is jealousy. That shows me that those people right there have no clue at all what they are talking about. Another thing I blame on religion, which may be a little unfair, but thats how the cookie crumbles.

Anyway, God is a bad name for it, as it inevitably conjurs up images of the archaic, Christian God.

This "God" concept is, instead of one entity, a collection of entities. A collective, if you will. A collective of every single thought-energy body in the Universe, all networked in a dimension of its own.

Whoa... let me back up a little bit.


So... quick physics review... We are all made of matter, and matter is essentially made up entirely of energy. Why? Because matter is comprised of atoms. And an atom is almost nothing but energy. To put it into perspective:

If the nucleus of an atom was the size of a golfball in the middle of a football field... the first electron would be outside of the stadium completely. All that empty space is an energy field. That electron, and any others with it, spin around that nucleus so fast they create a sort of force field that, to other atoms, is a solid foundation for molecular cohesion.

So when you think about it, all matter in the universe is mostly alll energy. Just energy in a very specialized, and highly immobilized state.

Now, classic Law of Thermodynamics: Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Ill get back to that.


The thought process is a series of energy fluctuations and wave-form patterns along a networked series of matrices. The physical manifestation of this thought process is housed in our brain. I believe it takes place elsewhere, however, due to the frequency and harmonics of the wave-form thought process. Possibly in another, separate dimension....

So when we die... where does all that energy that made up our bodies go to? It can NOT be destroyed so the energy that isnt lost in heat transfer and organ failure must go somewhere. I believe it remains together in a patternized state. The thought process continues, as our personality has much to do with how this energy is structured. If this energy in its pure state is arranged in a series of grid-matrices, partitioned and organized, then in theory it can function in exactly the same manner as the brain... only faster as it does not have to travel through a medium (such as the many synapses in our brain). Some people call it a soul, or a spirit. I like to refer to it as a body of thought-energy. Its all the same thing though.

If this body of thought-energy remains together, continuing some of the same basic thought processes, then it can be deduced that the nature if its existence will cause it vibrate and harmonize to a frequency that enables it to exist in our dimensions, AND in its own separate and singular dimension. A dimension where EVERY SINGLE OTHER BODY OF THOUGHT-ENERGY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED RESIDES.


Think of the "hive effect" or "swarm effect". In an ant colony or bee hive, each individual insect has its own specialized task to carry out. There are soldiers to handle threats to the colony or hive, there is a queen, there are drones to find food, build, transfer larvae or food, bees have drones that produce honey... each insect does its own thing but they all come together with a very basic but very real agenda. It knows what it wants to do, and it knows how to do it, and how to deal with problems along the way. It adapts with each new challenge, and survives quite nicely. Bee hives definitely have the concept of a few basic emotions too... there is most DEFINITELY such thing as an "angry swarm of bees." You tell me they dont get angry and Ill punch you in the face, cause theyve def got pissed at me a few times in my life.


Now... if an unimaginably large, possibly close to infinite number of bodies of thought-energy, each one with the intelligence and mental ability of any human being (if not possibly more), are grouped and networked together with a common general mindset, and a common general set of goals... think of the incredibly mindblowing tangible effects that they could have. It is easy to imagine how somebody thousands of years ago that stumbled upon this concept was not able to see the individuals, but managed a blurry image of the big picture, and it looked like one guy, lol.

Ever hear of the Akashic Records? It is supposedly a collection of all knowledge and all experiences ever experienced by anything with the ability to experience anything. I can definitely see these Akashic Records fitting in nicely with my supposition. Who is to say this collection of thought-energy entities did not assist in the evolution of man in order to be able to experience life as a tangible being for the first time ever! Maybe that is why life is so precious... Perhaps all animals have the ability to house one of these bodies...

I have the sneaking suspicion that our thought process takes place not only in our brains, but also in this dimension as well. Perhaps our "soul, " "spirit, " or body of thought-energy exist in both dimensions while we are still alive as well. If that is true, then every human being really is connected like I feel they are. And in fact, all life would be connected in some way or another.

Great psychics throughout the past, including American Edgar Cayce gave over 20, 000 psychic readings, which range in a very wide variety. Over 14, 000 of these readings were recorded. He put himself into a trance-like state of meditation. A point in which his conscious mind melded with his subconscious mind, and he was able to access things in which few humans have been able to for some time now. He was once asked where his information came from, and he named the Akashic Records as his source, while in his transe. He never remembered anything he said, and had no knowleldge of the Akashic Records prior to the reading, or after it.

Hmm... that should be good for now. Mayhap I will post more later as it comes to me.



Soo.... What does everybody else view as the truth??

Id like to note that, even though this thread is open to discussion by all, I am the most interested in personal views of the truth, and not ones borrowed by an institution. In other words, dont just spit out whatever your pastor told you was the truth. Im looking for serious brainstorming by open-minded people that truly are in the middle of their own personal search for the truth.

GraziLovesMary Reviewed by GraziLovesMary on 06-21-2007. What is your version of THE TRUTH? Ill start: So this is something I posted in a discussion about religion, philosphy, theology, and how they all fit in with the rest of the Universe... Over the past few years of intensely searching for the truth, scouring every document on theology I could find, pouring over numerous manuscripts from ancient civilizations, perusing endless textbooks and publications on Nuclear, Quantum and Theoretical physics, and long, drawn-out, intense sessions of introspective meditation, I have Rating: 5

[mseerob]

Great way of putting it but there's only so much that we can assume nowadays.

Nobody truly knows what will happen when we die. That is one of the great mysteries of life. We can all assume that this and that will happen but we truly don't know, regardless of the conducted studies.

I've always wondered if there would even be an afterlife? Living a new life in a completely different person. Its pretty hard to know what could happen

[afghooey]

There's more than one version? :wtf:

[GraziLovesMary]

To answer both of your posts... of course theres only so much one can assume... I live my life by the following trifecta:

-To try to learn as much about everything and anything at anytime from anybody
-To always remain as open-minded as possible towards all ideas and perspectives
-To realize that I know NOTHING.


And yes, afghooey there is more than one personal opinion on what the truth is because nobody on Earth fully knows the truth. For now, all we can do is keep searching and sharing our ideas with each other. Each persons perspective puts a slighty different spin on things and allows you to look at your own version of the truth in a different life. Finding the truth is as much a personal journey as a collective goal.

[afghooey]

I'm well aware that there are many opinions and beliefs about what the truth is.

But, there is really only one version of THE TRUTH.

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but I see the words 'fact' and 'truth' being abused so often. Usually when people say these things, what they really mean is 'belief' or 'opinion'.

It was once considered a fact that the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe. It was once considered a fact that illnesses were caused by demons, and so on. But these, along with everything that we have ever considered 'facts', even what we consider to be facts today -- they are merely what we believe to be true.

By putting our faith in the truth, and that it will remain true no matter what our beliefs about it are, we've been able to go about the process of destroying innacurate beliefs, and by process of elimination some of our beliefs have gradually come to reflect the truth more closely. No matter how closely a belief reflects the truth, though, it's still a belief.

[beachguy in thongs]

The honest to God's truth? If I don't live forever, I will wait for God to bring me back. God wants us to, truthfully, reach perfect peace. If I don't ever come back, then I'm dead.

[PureEvil760]

There's more than one version? :wtf:

LOL "The truth remains the truth regardless of what you or those around you choose to believe" - Kryon

[2600HERTZ]

There is no such idea that more than one truth can exist, because the would defy the word truth, and though the word truth is arbitrary, what truth is, is not arbitrary.

Many people have different truths, but dont look so cloely at the small print, take a larger view and udnerstand what it is they are trying to do, and with that you will see that only one truth exists.

[GraziLovesMary]

I'm well aware that there are many opinions and beliefs about what the truth is.

But, there is really only one version of THE TRUTH.

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but I see the words 'fact' and 'truth' being abused so often. Usually when people say these things, what they really mean is 'belief' or 'opinion'.

It was once considered a fact that the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe. It was once considered a fact that illnesses were caused by demons, and so on. But these, along with everything that we have ever considered 'facts', even what we consider to be facts today -- they are merely what we believe to be true.

By putting our faith in the truth, and that it will remain true no matter what our beliefs about it are, we've been able to go about the process of destroying innacurate beliefs, and by process of elimination some of our beliefs have gradually come to reflect the truth more closely. No matter how closely a belief reflects the truth, though, it's still a belief.

Im confused as to what your point is... are you trying to imply that I was posting my opinions and beliefs as fact and empirical data? Because if so, then you completely missed the point.

Of course we dont know the truth yet. I dont, and neither does anybody else on this planet, we can not. Not yet, anyways, not in our primitive state. All we can do is do our best to search for our own personal truth, and continue listening to our gut instinct to make sure we are on the right track. Thats why people share their ideas; so that other people who are searching for the truth can have conversations with like-minded folks. And then you have the people that just want to prove their intelligence by telling other people that they are wrong instead of attempting to contribute to the conversation.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Of course we don't know the truth yet.....

unable to grasp the concept of the infinite, we feebly grasp at what little we know and attempt to extrapolate a grand design for the universe. seeking structure, we construct laws by which we believe the universe is constrained and then see those laws shattered as we manage to peer a little farther into eternity. so then we build another set of rules based on the tiny bit more we have learned and so on and so on.....

we humans are great rule makers and we seem to try and find patterns in everything, but in an infinite universe those patterns are so insignificant. we try to impose the idea of our superiority on the vast canvas of reality by imagining ourselves to be immortal in some twisted way. whether through magic or pseudo-science we attempt to refute the reality that we will one day cease to exist.


so here are my assembled great truths:

1. the human soul is a myth. it isn't a magical entity or a cohesive bundle of energy which survives our material demise. we exist for a short time and then we disappear and the minimal amount of energy created by or used in our passing merely goes on to be used in some unrelated activity somewhere else in the universe. our immortality exists only within those who we have touched in our brief span of years.

2. there is no great purpose for humanity's existence. we are merely another happenstance among an infinite number of possibilities and our creation is nothing more than random chance. insignificant and impotent, we are just taking up a bit of space for a while in this backwater of reality.

3. there is no grand design to the universe. chaos reigns supreme and the tiny patterns which we see as immutable laws are merely temporary eddies in the vast maelstrom of existence. there is no benevolent overseer aligning the cosmos into some ultimate harmonic convergence, no shadowy master of ceremonies with a master plan.



there you go. now be fruitful and multiply, eat drink and be merry, do unto others, brush after every meal and don't forget to floss.