What is your version of THE TRUTH?

[GraziLovesMary]

Ahhh... The Secret. Ive seen it. Its a cute video. I think they may be on the right track with some of the stuff, but I would take everything they say with a grain of salt.



I feel I must reiterrate something because I feel I am being misunderstood:

When I ask people what their version of the Truth is, I dont want to hear any semantics on how there is only one truth, and how more than one version goes against the definition... you are focussing on the POINT instead of the big picture. Try opening your mind.

Every person has their own view on the world and the universe, and most are searching for the truth. Some of us feel more confidently than others that our personal view is the closest to what could be considered "Truth" than anything we have encountered as yet. This thread is for THOSE PEOPLE. I am interested to hear perspectives on how different people believe the intricacies of the universe behave and operate. To those wishing to pick apart an argument, instead of contribute, do us a favor and go smoke some weed and start a thread about it and spend your time there. To those who contributed your personal views, I thank you immensely.

[jdmarcus59]

I belive that Christ is the truth, that is to say Jesus, a very long time ago,
He reveled Him self to me in such a powerfull way that I could not deni him
I used to tell people that when God calls you up its just not cool to hang up
lol. but I have perfect peace inside because perfect love cast out fear.

I say this with out ego, I say it only for those who have ears to hear.

[Spoken Word]

Wow, you seem so sure of yourself. I wish I was so enlightened I could verbalize a statement as finite as that without any empirical data to back it up...

"But honestly.....when you die, you're alone. Not your parents, your family. Just you."
Seems pretty obvious to me. You die alone. I don't know what empirical data I need to back that up.

To those wishing to pick apart an argument, instead of contribute, do us a favor and go smoke some weed and start a thread about it and spend your time there.

I hope you don't mean me. Because picking an arguement wasn't my intention. Thanks for sharing. :hippy:

[MajMike]

I don't see the 'die alone' analogy as clearly as you do. Most people are not alone when they die, whether they have family, friends, medical personnel, etc., most have someone near them at death's arrival.

Note: If you are talking about facing our own mortality alone as individuals then I agree, but in the less esoteric sense I stand by the above.

As far as the afterlife goes there either is one or there isn't, if there is one I think it more likely that there will be many souls there vs only you (if we continue to exist as individual consciencenesses and not simply part of the ether [which would make this discussion moot]), again denying the 'die alone' position.

Of course, I have been wrong before, and I respect your right to your own opinion. Peace.

[xblackdogx]

Ahhh... The Secret. Ive seen it. Its a cute video. I think they may be on the right track with some of the stuff, but I would take everything they say with a grain of salt.



I feel I must reiterrate something because I feel I am being misunderstood:

When I ask people what their version of the Truth is, I dont want to hear any semantics on how there is only one truth, and how more than one version goes against the definition... you are focussing on the POINT instead of the big picture. Try opening your mind.

I said that there are infinite truths- that is the ONE TRUTH (the big picture)

[GraziLovesMary]

"But honestly.....when you die, you're alone. Not your parents, your family. Just you."
Seems pretty obvious to me. You die alone. I don't know what empirical data I need to back that up.

Yes the meaning of the statement is obvious enough for me, however I think you and I have different definitions of alone. I have more than one, because you can be alone in some ways, and not alone in other ways at the same time. I dont think death is the end, but that doesnt mean I think we go either up in the clouds or down to a fiery eternity. Perhaps Im wrong, if I am I dont really care because in that case there would be no lingering aspect of me to care. I dont believe I am, though. But thats what keeps me searching. If I feel like I already have the answer, I will no longer look and continue trying to learn more. That doesnt work for me. Diffrnt strokes for diffrnt folks tho.

I hope you don't mean me. Because picking an arguement wasn't my intention. Thanks for sharing. :hippy:

No dont worry I wasnt referring to you. I actually wasnt specifically trying to imply that anybody in the thread had, but was hoping to avoid it.

[GraziLovesMary]

I said that there are infinite truths- that is the ONE TRUTH (the big picture)

No I know, the second part of that post was actually geared towards other posters, and was inspired by your "infinite truths" statement, sorry for the confusion. I also didnt mean to downplay "The Secret" either, it was an interesting video. I kind of laughed the first time somebody told me about it, because all the shit they were telling me about that they had just learned, were things I had figured out through my own observations and studies. Its a good video worth watching though.

[Mountaindewzilla]

GraziLovesMary, I'm gonna call you Hunter.

Hunter, I like the way you operate.

Anyway, the subject at hand. At this point, I have some ideas about existence, and they are somewhat similar to yours.
At this point, I've read most of the Buddhism related articles on Wikipedia, and between that and recent smoke/think sessions, am fairly certain that we exist outside of human existence. That is to say, human existence is just a frame of reference for our minds. I think that there are other frames of reference.
I would not be surprised to find out that the whole idea of reincarnation comes from our predisposition being a function of our perspective (theory!).
My idea is that when (if) you live multiple lives, the common denominator is perspective. The reason that you behave one way or another is because of what you see from your perspective.
I'm not sure how well I am communicating this idea, but that is the best I can do at this juncture.

As far as living as a human, people are irrational by nature, but have the ability to recognize their nature for what it is.
The best one can hope to do is come to terms with what it means to be human, and try to improve.

I think it is pretty cool that you've researched so much, Hunter. Most people don't give a fuck when it comes down to the essential thing.
I have to admit, I am not really interested in the underlying foundation of existence so much as I am interested in understand existence, but I really appreciate your system.

[GraziLovesMary]

GraziLovesMary, I'm gonna call you Hunter.

Hunter, I like the way you operate.

Anyway, the subject at hand. At this point, I have some ideas about existence, and they are somewhat similar to yours.
At this point, I've read most of the Buddhism related articles on Wikipedia, and between that and recent smoke/think sessions, am fairly certain that we exist outside of human existence. That is to say, human existence is just a frame of reference for our minds. I think that there are other frames of reference.
I would not be surprised to find out that the whole idea of reincarnation comes from our predisposition being a function of our perspective (theory!).
My idea is that when (if) you live multiple lives, the common denominator is perspective. The reason that you behave one way or another is because of what you see from your perspective.
I'm not sure how well I am communicating this idea, but that is the best I can do at this juncture.

As far as living as a human, people are irrational by nature, but have the ability to recognize their nature for what it is.
The best one can hope to do is come to terms with what it means to be human, and try to improve.

I think it is pretty cool that you've researched so much, Hunter. Most people don't give a fuck when it comes down to the essential thing.
I have to admit, I am not really interested in the underlying foundation of existence so much as I am interested in understand existence, but I really appreciate your system.

Thanks mountandewzilla, and if you want, you can call me Grazi, as its my name. But I guess Hunter works too whichever you prefer.

Im pretty sure I understand exactly what you are trying to communicate, and I agree. Its all about perspective.. but perspective is relative to the perceiver, and is an intimately different experience for everybody. One that we cant truly share with each other until our technology gets a little closer in scope to our imagination. I appreciate your acknowledgement of my research alot.. I just want to know everything about everything lol. Is that so much to ask? I realize it wont exactly happen like that during this existence of tangibility and 3-dimensional perspective, but by having that goal, it ensures I never stop learning or wanting to learn. And trying to truly decipher the truth from the mysteries the universe presents, and the challenges in understanding them that we create for ourselves as a species by setting limits for ourselves.

[timmay215]

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