good post flesh. i agree knowledge is power, and the only way the powerful can stay in such power is through making sure the populace remains ignorant. but the one point i differ from you is that in the case of the U.S and other western countries, they are not suppressing what or what not thr populace can learn or read or say, this very post is proof enough, they rely on the general lazyness of the population. The goverment knows the truth about their activities can be found out, they just know the vast majority of the population are too concerned about their eveyday activities to do research or hold them accountable, or to say it more frankly people dont give a shit. I think the same can be said about the modern christian churches, i mean why would people want to destroy their own hope that theres a god and a heaven, to say it even more simply most people are happier ignorant. And for the ones who know the goverment and religious institutes all lie they know theres far too few of us to make a change. Well that will finish my rant, i have no idea how to change the situation(make people give a shit) i mean the knowledge is there for anyone looking. anyone else have any ideas?