Who the hell veggies until 36" tall in a Hydro system inside. I am sure some people do, but not most. Second, TONS of people use CFL's for vegging time. CFL= Condensed floresent Lights. Third, would be nice if people read the whole thread before telling me what I need. Especially since two people so far Have told me I need what I already have.

I think I will just grow the way I did my last hydro grow. 1.5 oz of hard sticky buds, per plant is not bad.

I CAN NOT BELIEVE, that my lights are not good enough for vegging. (6)43 actual watt COOL WHITE!!!!!!!CFLS and one t-5 4' COOL WHITE tube floresences. I have a 400 watt light I can drop in there, but why? No need for that in vegging. Right now I am building a room, which will have inlet and outlet 20" fans and an Air Conditioner Unit, oscilatting fan, and mylar walls. 3'X3' growing tray, with a 20gallon res. I am having trouble with the heat, or I would use the 400 watt multi light. This is why I just bought a 5,050 BTU AC unit. I will just use my 400 watter as my 400 HPS light like I did last grow.

There are two threads right now, of people who have plants like the one guy that is 21 days into vegging, and mine are as big and nice as his. Some of you guys are helpful, but others are like feeding sharks.

Also, I talked to the guys at the hydro store, and they all said YES, Rock Wool will make your PPM jump the first week. But, I wanted to be on the safe side, I was going to go another 4 days before a res change. But I changed it out today. I dropped back to just Pure Blend and Power Plant, and a Little Hygrozyme. ppm=325, also bought a new digital ph meter, got old that looking at a color chart and trying to guess what PH you have. PH=5.3, it will raise maybe .1-.2 by tomorrow. My ph has really leveled out nicely now.

Here are a couple of pictures, You guys tell me what is wrong with these lights for vegging. And if My plants are doing so horrible, Maybe I should just kill the little shits and start over.

And the 1/8 nut burn on the tips.. why would you want to run that fine line? Step over it and POOF!!!

Thanks most everyone for you help, But as I said before, you read and read and read, and who do you believe? Well one person I do not believe is you (Oldsanclem), you might be the God of all Bud growers, But to many things you wrote and over looked make me not trust your abilities.

Oh, also, I got these seeds 12 days ago, they have been in my hydro system for 9 days now. 1 day to crack, 2 days to pop out from the rapid rooters, with roots, and 9 days in hydro.

These plants went the first 7 days with straight r/o water. My nuts jumped from 340-360 to 900ish in two days on their own. See some people did not read all the thread. And do not even ask if I soak and conditioned, go back and READ>>>>>>

One thing no one tried to answer was the real question I asked, Why are those two leafs rolling up like a joint. Well one person got it correct, but never addressed the question.

I do really thanks those who read the thread and helped. I am sure my plants are safer now.