Quote Originally Posted by 4twentE
I believe the answer to the first question is no. To be an expression of the universe, by all definition we would have to come from within the universe.
Maybe I should have worded that differently, but that's exactly what I meant. That if we didn't come from outside (as in, put here by an outside force), then we must have come OUT of the universe from within. Like when an apple comes out of a tree, it's a further expression of the tree itself.