Thats my point, Ron! Society tries to make a clear cut definition of what maturity is.. In alot of places (especially in the UK), youre considered mature once you hit 18. But how do you make the distinction between a 17 year old and an 18 year olds maturity? And take in to account that every teenager, just like every adult, is different, then theres no way to say when somebody is mature and when they arent.. I mean, shit, I was looking after my nephew once, and he wont out to hang out with his friends (hes 10 years old, so are his friends) and he didnt come back when he was supposed to, so I went out to look for him.. I found him with a bunch of kids, and he said "hey come and meet my friends".. I didnt really wanna meet a bunch of 10 year olds, lol, but I did it just to please him.. I went over for a couple of minutes, waited for him to say goodbye, but then his friends said they were gonna have a game of football (soccer) and could he play? I said okay, i'll stay and watch.. so they all went, and left one of their friends behind because she didnt want to play, as she was the only girl.. It was wierd that she was hanging out with 10 year olds, though, because she looked about 15 and acted about 18.. as I was waiting for my nephew to finish up his game, I was chatting to the girl that didnt want to play, not flirting, obviously, because even though I thought she was 15, 15 is still too young, lol, and then the game finished and i took my nephew home.. he asked me how i knew that girl that i was chatting to, and i said i didnt, but she seemed pretty cool so i was just makin conversation, and i asked how old she was, and she said she was 11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i mean, there i was, a 17 year old, chatting to an 11 year old as i waited for my nephew, and i was trying to figure out if she was 15 or 18!!!! LOL so umm.. im stoned, and if youve read this fair, then fair play to you, lol, but my point is, umm.. ive forgotten.. somethng about being mature! oh yea thats it, nobody can say when a person has hit maturity, because maturity can never come, or it can come straight away, or it can take a while arriving