advanced string theory

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

EDIT: the rep said "well said". again ----->:wtf:

Gandalf_The_Grey Reviewed by Gandalf_The_Grey on 06-15-2007. advanced string theory A few people i know have taken advanced string theory as their belief. What is everyone's views on it as a belief? Rating: 5

[wayoftheleaf]

Advanced string theory(i believe) states:

There are an infinite amount of universes(picture these as bubbles or such floating through nothingness, this isn't accurate most likely but i am just trying to create an illusion)Yet on each universe(i think this is what it said)there are an infinite amount of universes overlapping one another.

I believe that is what it states, and what makes it so wonderous.

basically there are infinite amount of other universes. But at the same time there are an infinite amount of (something not sure of word)on this dimension, imagine this world, but different, and on this world as well. we just can't see it. it's like the idea of different timelines proposed by john titor.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I've watched a few demonstrations actually, it was some impressive stuff. I'm not saying though, that he literally can't be moved by any means. I'm just talking about getting 5 guys to try and push him to make him take one step from his spot, which they couldn't.

That's cool you're into mixed martial arts btw, I was really into Judo and Aikido myself before I messed up my spine and had to quit. Which martial arts do you specialize in?

Yep, you pretty much understand what I mean now. Indeed nobody can train hard and long enough and jump 100 feet into the air, or in your example flap their arms to fly. What I'm talking about is accomplishing normal human feats, to far abnormal degrees. Do you ever watch Chris Angel on Mindfreak? He does some of the physical stuff I'm talking about, like him being a 160 lb man picking up that taxi, or having a truck run over him.... lol, I'm not sure how he walked down the side of that building since he stepped off it and walked away.

BTW, why did somebody give me bad rep on my first post with a comment of "good post":wtf:

Judo's pretty cool, I'm into mixed martial arts, but I've trained in JiuJitsu and a small stint in muay thai

But Chris Angel apparantly uses a lot of camera tricks. That and he steals everyone else's tricks. My Roommate's a magician and I know a few decent tricks. But yeah, Chris Angel is an ass. Some magician created a convincing illusion of walking on water, with an audience in the pool. He didn't want to tell anyone, but CA convinced him to tell, but if CA used it or profited from it in any way shape or form, the magician would sue him for 6 million dollars. lo and behold, a few months later the trick is on his show, the magician calls him up and asks what's going on, and CA responds (paraphrased) "I do mine differently, and in order to prove that mine's different you'd have to show your trick to the courts, and everyone would know your secret. See you in court"

Pretty assholish eh?

But yeah it's hard to believe some of the stuff that he does, and there's obviously a way that he does it, but I'm a sceptic by nature. I highly doubt it's because he's training himself to such a high level that he can do these things, and more than likely due to them being "tricks". Highly sophisticated tricks, yes, but tricks nonetheless.

[wayoftheleaf]

idc if it isn't true or not, mindfreak is an awesome show to watch.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Judo's pretty cool, I'm into mixed martial arts, but I've trained in JiuJitsu and a small stint in muay thai

Cool, Those are a couple of my favorite martial arts. I definately would have taken Jiu Jitsu were it available, but I suppose Aikido and Judo are 2 offshoots of it anyway.

But Chris Angel apparantly uses a lot of camera tricks. That and he steals everyone else's tricks. My Roommate's a magician and I know a few decent tricks. But yeah, Chris Angel is an ass. Some magician created a convincing illusion of walking on water, with an audience in the pool. He didn't want to tell anyone, but CA convinced him to tell, but if CA used it or profited from it in any way shape or form, the magician would sue him for 6 million dollars. lo and behold, a few months later the trick is on his show, the magician calls him up and asks what's going on, and CA responds (paraphrased) "I do mine differently, and in order to prove that mine's different you'd have to show your trick to the courts, and everyone would know your secret. See you in court"

Pretty assholish eh?

But yeah it's hard to believe some of the stuff that he does, and there's obviously a way that he does it, but I'm a sceptic by nature. I highly doubt it's because he's training himself to such a high level that he can do these things, and more than likely due to them being "tricks". Highly sophisticated tricks, yes, but tricks nonetheless.

Wow, I had no idea angel could be such an asshole, he seems like a nice guy on his show! I won't jump to any judgements right off the bat though, we can't know all the details.
Honestly I think for his walking over the pool trick he just got some glass put on top, just under the surface, so people could still swim over him. For the camera tricks I don't know what's real and what's not, it's hard to tell. What particularily annoys me though is so many of his tricks where we have to assume that the people he's working with genuinly aren't working with him in secret. Like when that woman wrote down any item in the store, and he picked out that one item. I mean come on, I'm not impressed because I'm supposed to take his word for it that she's not in on it!

He does do some pretty cool physical stuff though. I know stuff that's supernatural, like walking down a building, are tricks of course. I was only referring to things that are more about physical strength and stamina.


I wish I could find some of those tai chi videos for you, but nothing's coming up. Have you ever watched the Shaolin Monks though? Now THAT is some amazing stuff! I'm pretty sure you can find them on youtube, google video, that sort of thing. What I wouldn't give to go to one of their shows!

[Hardcore Newbie]

I love watching shaolin monks

But yeah, if someone's using trickery to perform impossible feats, I have no reason to believe that the "possible but really hard" feats are anything but trickery.

YouTube - Chriss Angel - Exposed

Good video but unfortunately it's very small.

YouTube - BEST Criss Angel's Illusion Revealed(LOUD, TURN DOWN VOLUME)

If you know anything about the clone tool in photoshop or any smiliar editing program, the patterns near the end of the video in the clouds are VERY hard to deny. EDIT** (just after 7:20)

[jsn9333]

If I had genuine concern for all the people on earth, I'd make sure that people understood exactly what I was saying, I wouldn't try to confuse anybody. Christ and myself seem to have very different ways of thinking. We both are very loving, but if I had a secret that would allow for the salvation of mankind, I don't see why I would talk in riddles. I'd also question the motives of the person who is deliberately confusing.

The Bible says in Romans that God has made what may be known about him plain for everyone to know. It says His character and his qualities are evident in nature, and because of that no one has any excuse for "not knowing". Again, I am reminded of my experience with desert nomads who had dreams about Jesus with no missionary contact. But even if they had not had the dreams, the Bible teaches that they were without excuse based on the knowledge of God that is evident to all creation.

If anyone was deliberately confused by Christ through his teachings, it is because they have rejected His ways and He is beginning their punishment. So to question his motives for that is the same as questioning his motives for punishing those who are rebellious against him.

...that child is tortured for the rest of their life. The parents feel justified in doing this because they created the child.

Yeah, it's a sadistic example but if does quite sum up the way I feel. Just because I don't believe in His word, if his word is true, I'll be tortured. I don't get to heaven, nor would I want to, as heaven would be very constricting to my nature. The only alternative is hell, and because Christ doesn't allow me into heaven, since I wouldn't want that anyways, the only other place to go is Hell. That doesn't seem fair either. I question the very nature of these rules, and I believe that I am doing so with good reason.

I don't doubt your sincerity at all. It's just not your place to tell the Creator what is fair and what isn't. I don't mean to sound rude, and I understand your concerns. Don't get me wrong, it is always good to ask questions and deal with your conerns... but in the end you're viewpoint will not really matter all that much if you are the created and He is the Creator. Besides, again, God has said that what may be known about Him already has been made evident. So from His point of view He already has "proven" himself to you, and you have rejected Him.

The Bible says in the parable about Lazarus and the rich man that even if someone came back from the dead and "proved" God was true, the same people would still talk themselves out of the 'miracle' because they just would not agree with the principles of God. In other words, even if God did appear to you, you still wouldn't think his rules about hell and obedience are fair. And a "magic trick", even an amazing "impossible" one, doesn't really prove anything about the "fairness" of the magician. One way or the other, eventually you'll have to submit to God and acknowledge that "the rules" are His call and His call alone. Then, once you are following His rules and practicing His ways, you realize how good they actually are for you and you grow in love with him.

He has left us His Word as a way of "magically" reaching those of us who will believe and come back to him to be restored to peace and friendship with him.

... you don't punish someone you love for not accepting their gift with torture, not matter how brief or how lengthly the torture.

You've got it somewhat backwards. The punishment is what is deserved by all of us for rebellion and rejection of His ways and what was made known to us about Him. The gift is the offer of forgiveness. If you reject the gift you aren't then punished for rejecting the gift. You are punished for your rebellion, and it was your choice to reject the gift of amnesty He so graciously offered.

... Why does He need my faith so desperately that if he doesn't get it he will punish me for it?

He doesn't need your faith... rather you need to trust and love Him in order to be in a loving relationship with Him. Its really very basic. And He has given mankind a second chance even though we have rejected Him and turned our backs on His ways. If you, in your heart, continue to rebel against Him then He will not force you to reside with Him forever. Instead, you will go to where you want... separation from Him... a bad place since He is everything that is good.

I use the word "rebel" and "reject" not because I think you are a bad person... but rather because that is what it is called when someone disagrees with and dissents from the Authority. I know you have good intentions and I don't intend to call that into question. By the way, I smoke MJ too. I don't think use MJ is a sin since alcohol clearly is not and MJ is much less dangerous a drug. And I have an obligation under the United States constitution to dissent and try to change the government to justly represent the welfare and freedom of the people.

[Hardcore Newbie]

The Bible says in Romans that God has made what may be known about him plain for everyone to know. It says His character and his qualities are evident in nature, and because of that no one has any excuse for "not knowing". Again, I am reminded of my experience with desert nomads who had dreams about Jesus with no missionary contact. But even if they had not had the dreams, the Bible teaches that they were without excuse based on the knowledge of God that is evident to all creation.

If anyone was deliberately confused by Christ through his teachings, it is because they have rejected His ways and He is beginning their punishment. So to question his motives for that is the same as questioning his motives for punishing those who are rebellious against him.

I take issue with this. If i had knowledge of God, I'd certainly be inclined, to at least agree that God exists. I'd still probably take issue with his word, but that would be after my acknowledging that word is at least real, because it's been proven to me. This isn't the case. I agree that there may be a god that does exist, I have no way of knowing, at least at the moment, but these words do not make sense to me. Whether I know the words and disobey, or I know the words and cannot *truly* comprehend them because my logic differs from his word? I can not honestly answer that question. It *feels* like my logic telling me that this doesn't make sense, so I'm going with that for now.

I don't doubt your sincerity at all. It's just not your place to tell the Creator what is fair and what isn't. I don't mean to sound rude, and I understand your concerns. Don't get me wrong, it is always good to ask questions and deal with your conerns... but in the end you're viewpoint will not really matter all that much if you are the created and He is the Creator. Besides, again, God has said that what may be known about Him already has been made evident. So from His point of view He already has "proven" himself to you, and you have rejected Him.

Can you see where this would also be frustrating to someone who is just trying to understand? All I'm trying to do is understand, and I've learned that it's not my place to show my my viewpoint is or isn't valid, and that my viewpoint doesn't really matter. You can see how this would be disheartening to someone just trying to understand, yes?

And no worries about "rudeness", I think we're being quite polite and having cordial conversation. I thoroughly enjoy the conversation

The Bible says in the parable about Lazarus and the rich man that even if someone came back from the dead and "proved" God was true, the same people would still talk themselves out of the 'miracle' because they just would not agree with the principles of God. In other words, even if God did appear to you, you still wouldn't think his rules about hell and obedience are fair. And a "magic trick", even an amazing "impossible" one, doesn't really prove anything about the "fairness" of the magician. One way or the other, eventually you'll have to submit to God and acknowledge that "the rules" are His call and His call alone. Then, once you are following His rules and practicing His ways, you realize how good they actually are for you and you grow in love with him.

.If god did reveal himself to me only to say "this body of words is my truth" and pointed to the Bible, I've already said i would be disheartened, because the rules to myself seem very unfair. Unfair that i don't know the reasoning behind the rules and my mind opposes these rules, and can't comprehend them. Maybe with this information, however, I have no reason to "not love god" because seeing Him was all that I needed to ignite that love. My concern tho, is for the people who, like me, wouldn't have this proof.

the magician thing is quite relevant tho, seeing as we're also talking about Chris Angel. If according to my mind, that these things are magic tricks, how can I believe one over another? I like the unequivocal, not something that can be explained another way.

You've got it somewhat backwards. The punishment is what is deserved by all of us for rebellion and rejection of His ways and what was made known to us about Him. The gift is the offer of forgiveness. If you reject the gift you aren't then punished for rejecting the gift. You are punished for your rebellion, and it was your choice to reject the gift of amnesty He so graciously offered.

Why is it a deserved punishment? I reject the idea that I deserve punishment because I have the mind of a sceptic. Many people make many outlandish claims, and to choose one based on faith while rejecting all other claims is literally impossible for my mind to do.

He doesn't need your faith... rather you need to trust and love Him in order to be in a loving relationship with Him. Its really very basic. And He has given mankind a second chance even though we have rejected Him and turned our backs on His ways. If you, in your heart, continue to rebel against Him then He will not force you to reside with Him forever. Instead, you will go to where you want... separation from Him... a bad place since He is everything that is good.

Again I take issue with this. If I don't take his word as my own and live by it, and just live close to what his word says without actually believing in His word, then the outcome is that I deserve no good. There's no actual middle ground, just torment and torture for those who do not accept his word as 100%, and heaven for those who do. I realize the benefit of loving your fellow man, but I apparantly get no credit from the creator for doing so, whether through his word or through my own discovery. It's like only the pure get salvation, and any shade of grey will not be tolerated.

I use the word "rebel" and "reject" not because I think you are a bad person... but rather because that is what it is called when someone disagrees with and dissents from the Authority. I know you have good intentions and I don't intend to call that into question. By the way, I smoke MJ too. I don't think use MJ is a sin since alcohol clearly is not and MJ is much less dangerous a drug. And I have an obligation under the United States constitution to dissent and try to change the government to justly represent the welfare and freedom of the people.

I do rebel and reject, but it's not to what i consider an authority, it's to an idea that I find to be unjust. I know from His viewpoint, He is the authority

But the difference between government rule and His rule, is that the governments rule can and does change (no matter how oddly), and his rule by nature, can never change. If i take any issue with his word, there is no room for discussion, and for a man that likes to solve problems through discussion (and in most cases, compromise), it doesn't leave a guy a lot of hope.

Anyways, i've been watching way too much youtube, I'm off to bed, have a good night and I hope to continue with you some other time :thumbsup:

[wayoftheleaf]

I think what he is trying to say Hardcore is that God created us, and for that gift he asks us to have faith in him, and follow his word, and not doing so is basically saying to god, *my creation was not worth following you* and in doing so, he takes away his gift of eternal life in heaven, and replaces it with the lake of fire.

Which still doesn't seem fair to me.

[Oneironaut]

I don't think the story of the Bible is always changing. I mean, sure it leaves open the question of how God *exactly* created the universe... but that doesn't mean it changes. It just means it leaves that particular aspect of creation open for some discussion (hopefully friendly discussion... though some people get out of hand).

Of course. The Bible can never change, because faith, unlike science, is incapable of admitting it was wrong. Faith is not based in the real world of facts and evidence, so new facts and new evidence cannot change a faithful person's faith. Faith is absolute devotion to ideas that don't have any evidence for them, or that contradict the evidence, so it's rather absurd to expect faith to become more true over time as we understand the universe more completely. Theology will be forever stuck in the Dark Ages, because there is nowhere to advance, no evidence to examine, no new theories to prove or disprove by experimentation. God is a fairy tale, and it's impossible to study a mythical being.

What I'm saying is, no one can look at the Christian Scriptures and see it saying God created the earth one day and then see it saying God didn't create the earth the next. I will agree that biblical texts are not scientific proof of anything. However, they are full of religious proof when practiced. If one starts practicing the teachings of Christ he will see the types of results the Word of God promises. And those teachings do not change. They have been practiced by Christians since Christ first uttered them.

Funny thing is, I've heard Muslims say the exact same thing about Muhammed. I've heard Mormons say the exact same thing about Joseph Smith. And I've heard Scientologists say the exact same thing about L. Ron Hubbard. If you just convince yourself to believe what they believe, you will come to understand how true those beliefs are!

Is it just me, or do all religious people have some kind of inability to recognize circular logic? Believers in the paranormal and conspiracy theories, too. It's as if they aren't even trying to examine their own arguments for logical consistency.

By the way, do I really get to see all the results the Word of God promises? Because I think it would be killer to drink poison and wrestle snakes without getting hurt. And curing cancer with my hands would be pretty sweet too. All I have to do is convert to Christianity, huh?

"And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)