Insomnia

[RESiNATE]

Yes, I agree that destiny is a largely supersticious notion...
But Fate is a little more mysterious...
And if Fate is a truism, then it could be said that we have no free-will.

People will say "the choices we make dictate our Fate"...I disagree (if we are to believe in Fate). I would rather be inclined to say "Fate dictates the choices that we make."

lol

[Blisterize]

BUT, Res, the earth is 4 billion five-hundred thousand eight years and one month, to be specific. Because I did a study in December of 1996 and the earth was 4.5 billion then. So that must be taken into account to deduce the proper equation. I am working on the calculation now, but we may need HHJack and his supergyroscopicmegalithiccomputation device to be absolutely certain. After all, to release this info without proper verification and double-checking would be nothing less than a disservice to cannabisdotcommers!!! Thank You. Out.

[Ammie]

omg this thread made my head hurt




*runs to her room grabs her stash and tokes up*
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh much better u guys dont do that to me again

[Blisterize]

Ummm...I mean SIX billion five-hundred million...SiX biliion....sorry not four, I'm so high I don't know what's goin' on!

[Buck268]

Yes, I agree that destiny is a largely supersticious notion...
But Fate is a little more mysterious...
And if Fate is a truism, then it could be said that we have no free-will.

People will say "the choices we make dictate our Fate"...I disagree (if we are to believe in Fate). I would rather be inclined to say "Fate dictates the choices that we make."

lol

Makes sense over here... As for the philo instructor, he actually did a good job, tried very hard on teaching the material )specifics of renounded, timeless philosophers such as Socrates and Hume and many more)... Always challenged the class to think. He was the typical liberal deusch professor, but if you look beyond that he did very well at being objective in his teaching. Too bad he was so out of touch with reality

[RESiNATE]

A very good point, Blisterize

See, I was very much of a mind that answers will present themselves, therefore making me a kind of 'Fatalist'. To some degrees, i still do think that...but, the past 4 years or so has changed my way of thinking drastically.
I've always been able to 'see' things that others do not (or won't lol) - common sense, or seerism?
But, the problem that we humans have, is that we cannot 'see' beyond our own lives.
Things only seem to matter if they are consequencial to us.
So, when I look for the answer to whether or not I have free-will, I can't help but think that my 'vision' is clouded by my own selfish needs and requirements.

In the above senario, the moral choice is simple.
However, what impact has the choice had upon our Fate?
Or, was the choice just a singular event?
If so, then Fate could be a very short-lived phenomena - here and now, if you like, and not part of a bigger picture.

[Buck268]

A question for the ages, eh? As for Blisterize's input, I was intended to get a rough estimate (which in reality is all a numeric derivative can find). Either way I'm glad he's working on it not me

As for our perception of free will. I tend to put this in the same catagory as our perception of time. It cannot be directly perceived, therefore we cannot emperically draw a logical conclusion. This is the realm of nothing more than speculation, unless you can apply some type of mathematics (I have seen this done once, but it was used to illustrative purposes not definitive)

[RESiNATE]

I suppose that it depends on how you view life - schematically speaking...

I believe (neuralogically) that our livespan is divided into an infinite number of 'rooms'. Each 'room' is the current situation, and from each 'room' leads a door into the next current situation (or 'room'). When you enter the 'room' you are armed with everything that you have learned from the previous 'room'. The 'room' is a euphamism for a 'stage of learning' (ie, in order for you to leave this 'room', you must learn a lesson).
You can never go back to the previous 'room', and you will remain within this 'room' until your 'lesson' is learned.
(with me so far? lmaoo)
However, this idea can only work if you believe that you have no free-will - otherwise, there would be numerous 'exits' available due to the nature of free-will.

So, as we go through our lives, we enter and leave these 'rooms' with a little more knowledge and understanding that help us (sometimes) to progress along the corridor (for want of a better description) towards our ultimate end.

If the choices that we have are based upon moral code, life experience, and other factors...then would it be true to say that, as we get older, our choices become less?

[Buck268]

Very interesting... Very Plutonic... Are you familar with some the the details Plato laid out in his teachings? Especially his theory of Forms, the allegory of the cave, and his levels of awareness?

[poorman3]

sorry resinate, you just remind me of spock.