Creationism Museum...WTF

[Nation_1ne]

Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. The science of how our universe works, and how we got where we are, cannot be different for each group of people. Either one's right or the other. But I may be interpreting what you're saying wrong, could you elaborate?

Religious Science, Non-Religious Science, 2 different subjects and two different versions. Both not the same thing meaning there is more than one. For there to only be one science both subjects would have to be teaching the exact same thing.

I beg to differ. Your prior response postulates that the creationist museum is spouting the same thing as the churches and therefor makes no difference. The museum is doing more than any church is capable of, they're actually displaying these arguments in pseudo-scientific terms and thus justifying these beliefs at a high level. The churches don't have elaborote "scientific" explanations as to how coal can form in weeks, or why carbon dating for some reason doesn't work. Sure they may espew the same message, but the elaborate intricacy of the message from the museum portrays a considerably more impressive version of these beliefs.

What I'm trying to get across here is that people have always gone to church, and some end up questioning and rejecting the teachings as is there right. But institutions like these veil the superstition in a cloak of pseudo-science, they keep kids from questioning these beliefs became they actually manage to convince them that creationism is a scientific endeavor with plenty of faulty "evidence" to back it up. I think a lot more people would be willing to walk away from this system of thought were they not fed illusionary "science" that tricks them into believing the creationist reasoning is sound.

Since you aren't worried about this affecting our children I fail to see what your point here is. I was lead to believe your concern was that this is going affect our way of life as a non believer. If that isn't the case then I came into the discussion for the wrong reasons.

It's not my babies I'm worried about, it's theirs. This isn't just religious education anymore, it's a full masters degree in pseudo logic.

More the fool you if you seriously don't think they already teach their kids this shit. Plus you should have been this specific from the start.

I totally disagree, the church and science are quite distinctly separate. Just because some people use faulty reasoning and unscientific interpretations, then call it "science", doesn't make it science.

I'm not saying it is science to the truest form if at all, but what else shall I refer to it as? If they believe that's Science and refer to it as Science then I'd say it's a Christian version of Science. Regardless if it should or shouldn't be called Science, they still practice this meaning that the two subjects (Rligion and Science) aren't separate.

Right, have fun crying Wolf. I'm off to make a cheese sandwich.

P.s I just read through the thread again, and you said to me that your concern isn't our children it's thiers. But Billionfold quite clearly stated non child believers and child believers. You went on to argue that children don't call BS. I'm sorry but this just gives me more reason not to discuss this with you. If you can't stick to your original debate then why should I even bother?

[stonedblue]

Personally, I believe God created the world and Jesus died to forgive my sins.

Do you hear me complaining about museums that only give credit to evolution and not creation?

It is interesting to argue about both beliefs and compare and contrast them. What is wrong with building a creationism museum? If you are right, and God isn't real at all, and we all just evolved from some stupid-ass bacteria, then this museum isn't really a threat and why does it matter? This isn't making people less intelligent, it's just giving them a broader range of beliefs.

So, why does it matter to you that much that this museum is being built?

[Nation_1ne]

Personally, I believe God created the world and Jesus died to forgive my sins.

Do you hear me complaining about museums that only give credit to evolution and not creation?

It is interesting to argue about both beliefs and compare and contrast them. What is wrong with building a creationism museum? If you are right, and God isn't real at all, and we all just evolved from some stupid-ass bacteria, then this museum isn't really a threat and why does it matter? This isn't making people less intelligent, it's just giving them a broader range of beliefs.

So, why does it matter to you that much that this museum is being built?

Touché.

[mrdevious]

Oh sweet Jebus, we're having a total communication breakdown here. I wasn't contradicting myself, I'm explaining that YES billionfold is right that children don't question what they're fed, but they DO question when they get older and start learning about how the world really works. Maybe I've misinterpreted some of what you said, but you've misinterpreted almost everything I've said as well especially on the main points. It's a complicated issue with a lot of subject matter, and it gets awkward debating someone on an issue we disagree on, yet at the same time completely agree on in our view of the whole religious issue. This obviously isn't going anywhere fast so we'll leave it at that.

[mrdevious]

Personally, I believe God created the world and Jesus died to forgive my sins.

Do you hear me complaining about museums that only give credit to evolution and not creation?

It is interesting to argue about both beliefs and compare and contrast them. What is wrong with building a creationism museum? If you are right, and God isn't real at all, and we all just evolved from some stupid-ass bacteria, then this museum isn't really a threat and why does it matter? This isn't making people less intelligent, it's just giving them a broader range of beliefs.

So, why does it matter to you that much that this museum is being built?

Stoneblue, I agree with you that everybody needs to hear all the viewpoints and consider them accordingly. However, I do take issue with the fact that religion is encroaching on science, and this museum is teaching a form of "science" that in fact holds no weight in the scientific community. Evolution and other sciences have vastly develope and established theories based on the scientific method. This stuff like coal being made in a week and dinosaurs living by humans has no such validity or evidence, it's just outright twising the facts. Again, I agree that kids need to hear all the sides, but don't tell them stories or beliefs and tell them its science, just be honest about what it really is.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Everyone in my school paid about as much attention to Religious studies as they did French class....

i would agree that if taken in the context of religious belief, such foolishness is no more harmful than the countless churches taking up space on perfectly good land all across the country. the problem arises when these fairy tales (fairies don't have tails) are given the same status as legitimate scientific study. whether the students are paying attention is unimportant, the fact that they could be exposed to such religious clap-trap in the guise of science is. these are ideas bred of superstition and they should be left to family or religious leaders, they do not belong in state sponsored educational institutions.



oooo... post count of four aces.

[Nation_1ne]

Just be honest about what it really is.

You can't expect them to call it anything different, they honestly believe that is science.

[stonedblue]

Stoneblue, I agree with you that everybody needs to hear all the viewpoints and consider them accordingly. However, I do take issue with the fact that religion is encroaching on science, and this museum is teaching a form of "science" that in fact holds no weight in the scientific community. Evolution and other sciences have vastly develope and established theories based on the scientific method. This stuff like coal being made in a week and dinosaurs living by humans has no such validity or evidence, it's just outright twising the facts. Again, I agree that kids need to hear all the sides, but don't tell them stories or beliefs and tell them its science, just be honest about what it really is.

Creationism does not contradict very many things. Evolution is one of the few things it contradicts. We cannot prove that evolution is real. We can not prove that creation is real. So, both do demand a bit of faith making both religion. Is this museum being funded publicly? If it is that is strange because the government does not usually build anything with "religious" views these days. If it is being funded with tax-payer's money, I understand why you are frustrated. I'm am sure the museum will not be telling children stories that have no supporting information.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

We cannot prove that evolution is real. We can not prove that creation is real. So, both do demand a bit of faith making both religion.

religion, by its very nature, concerns itself with absolutes. science, on the other hand, is about discovery and experimentation. a theory remains a theory until it can be proved or disproved by unimpeachable and reproducible facts. though there are many who may claim theory to be fact by an application of faith, this is mere pseudo-scientific garbage. so many things in this life are unprovable; through science we may approach an understanding, through religion we can only impose a definition.

[Nation_1ne]

I remember being taught in Science class that many of the Scientists who made outstanding discoveries were actually religious themselves or believed in a form of god.