Creationism Museum...WTF

[dawninthemorning]

Oh go fucking figure, it's near Cincinnati, that's not a big surprise -_- With that and our Giant Jesus, I'm ready to leave this zealotry-infused place.

Please don't group all of us together. Not all of us are idots

[Nation_1ne]

Billionfold, a hands off approach to this could be rather dangerous. Worst case scenario is these things popping up all over the place. Best case scenario is that this museum is used to indoctranate a new generation of fundamental christians. What happens when a teacher tries to teach evolution to kids who have been forced to go to this travesty...i mean museum?

The kids will already be taught this (if Christian), and the true Christians that are most likely to attend this place will have their kids home schooled. Another point being, if it's already a challenge to have our own children attend ordinary muesems why the hell will they go to this place? Not only that, we have plenty of Churches around, so what difference will it make if you have one of these museum's open. They will both spew the exact same ideas and ways of life. I think you're getting too concerned over nothing personally. I mean seriously, what's gonna' happen? The entire world turns to Christianity because, oh no! A museum has opened!

Come on, you have to admit the idea is a tad dramatic.

[mrdevious]

The reason I'm concerned is because this goes beyond the usual church indoctrination, they're now trying to justify this stuff on scientific grounds and bullshit the people out of questioning with nonsense theories like "intelligent design". Church and science were for the most part separate, but now as we reach an age of scientific understanding, creationists are trying to blur the lines and mudle the public psyche.

[Nation_1ne]

The reason I'm concerned is because this goes beyond the usual church indoctrination, they're now trying to justify this stuff on scientific grounds and bullshit the people out of questioning with nonsense theories like "intelligent design". Church and science were for the most part separate, but now as we reach an age of scientific understanding, creationists are trying to blur the lines and mudle the public psyche.

What? They aren't saying it's scientific to our way of life. Only to someone who is a Christian. Re-read what I have said, take it all in, and realise that there is nothing to worry about. Christian people aren't going to come in the middle of the night and steal your babies so they can sit them in the museum over night. The Church and Science aren't separate, just the Church doesn't feel our theories or reasoning are correct. Which is fine, the problem they have is that we can mostly put their reasoning to shame, unfortunately they can't do the same to us.

[RamblerGambler]

"This may be fascinating, but this is nonsense," said Lawrence M. Krauss, a theoretical physicist at Case Western Reserve University and a vocal defender of evolutionary science. "It's fine for people to believe whatever they want. What's inappropriate is to then essentially lie and say science supports these notions."

And why is this so important?

"When you're talking about origins, you're not talking about science," Ham said as charter members snapped photographs in an early walk-through. "You're talking about belief."

Polls suggest that about half of Americans agree. They dismiss the scientific theory that all beings have a common ancestor, believing instead that God created humans in one glorious stroke. Similar numbers of people say the world's age should be counted in the thousands of years, not billions, as established science would have it.

A Monument To Creation - washingtonpost.com

And Billionfold, when I said kids earlier I meant children. Not teenagers who question, but elementry school kids and sunday schools and all manner of impressionable youth.

[Nation_1ne]

And Billionfold, when I said kids earlier I meant children. Not teenagers who question, but elementry school kids and sunday schools and all manner of impressionable youth.

And I'm telling you if a child had the choice to sit and watch cartoons or go to this Museum I can assure you most would sit and watch cartoons. The only way children will be invovled in this is if their parents take them or they are already Christian. You know it too.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Christian people aren't going to come in the middle of the night and steal your babies ....

no, they are going to wait until those babies are in school and then fill their heads with these fairy tales. in case you haven't noticed, creationism and intelligent design are fighting tooth and nail with legitimate scientific reasoning and rational thought for a place in the school systems. do you really think they would stop short of full indoctrination if given half a chance?

[Psycho4Bud]

RG...were our tax dollars used for this?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Nation_1ne]

no, they are going to wait until those babies are in school and then fill their heads with these fairy tales. in case you haven't noticed, creationism and intelligent design are fighting tooth and nail with legitimate scientific reasoning and rational thought for a place in the school systems. do you really think they would stop short of full indoctrination if given half a chance?

Yeah, of course they are.......Bullshit and you know it. Everyone in my school paid about as much attention to Religious studies as they did French class, and that was fuck all. Religious classes in school get hardly any attention what so ever and lack funds in comparison to other primary subjects. Who the hell said they are now gonna' turn around and make R.E. just as important as Math's and general Science. This changes absolutely nothing what so ever. Stating it's scientific facts is wrong indeed, but stating it's a Christian form of Science is not. Another point about your argument that made me laugh "Fill their heads with fairy tails" don't we do that already?

[mrdevious]

What? They aren't saying it's scientific to our way of life. Only to someone who is a Christian.

Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. The science of how our universe works, and how we got where we are, cannot be different for each group of people. Either one's right or the other. But I may be interpreting what you're saying wrong, could you elaborate?

Re-read what I have said, take it all in, and realise that there is nothing to worry about.

I beg to differ. Your prior response postulates that the creationist museum is spouting the same thing as the churches and therefor makes no difference. The museum is doing more than any church is capable of, they're actually displaying these arguments in pseudo-scientific terms and thus justifying these beliefs at a high level. The churches don't have elaborote "scientific" explanations as to how coal can form in weeks, or why carbon dating for some reason doesn't work. Sure they may espew the same message, but the elaborate intricacy of the message from the museum portrays a considerably more impressive version of these beliefs.

What I'm trying to get across here is that people have always gone to church, and some end up questioning and rejecting the teachings as is there right. But institutions like these veil the superstition in a cloak of pseudo-science, they keep kids from questioning these beliefs becaues they actually manage to convince them that creationism is a scientific endeavor with plenty of faulty "evidence" to back it up. I think a lot more people would be willing to walk away from this system of thought were they not fed illusionary "science" that tricks them into believing the creationist reasoning is sound.

Christian people aren't going to come in the middle of the night and steal your babies so they can sit them in the museum over night.

It's not my babies I'm worried about, it's theirs. This isn't just religious education anymore, it's a full masters degree in pseudo logic.

The Church and Science aren't separate, just the Church doesn't feel our theories or reasoning are correct.

I totally disagree, the church and science are quite distinctly separate. Just because some people use faulty reasoning and unscientific interpretations, then call it "science", doesn't make it science.

Which is fine, the problem they have is that we can mostly put their reasoning to shame, unfortunately they can't do the same to us.

Well there's something we can both agree on!


Have a good one.