Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Don't blame me for pointing out what others have reported about twelve step programs. The 12 step method is a waste of time for most people. Some people believe that it's worse than the addiction itself. The three videos from P&T, on You Tube, give a very good overview of this cult, including comments from current and former members.

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (1/3)

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (2/3)

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (3/3)

Twelve Step programs are useless,and most drug and alcohol programs use them. We need methods that work.
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Ok your right i'm wrong...now piss off. I hope your obtuse thinking takes you far in life. I hope for your families sake that you never have any problems with alcohol....think about it man we all could become alcoholics with the way society as a whole drinks...i ask you this what if your child died....what if you lost your parents suddenly together ....your wife.....your mobility? You cannot answer that until it happens....good luck on your own:jointsmile: you will need it.