Bill W

[Breukelen advocaat]

now i had your back breuk, until that....
my name is princess and i am an addict...i have been clean for 12 years....i have been an addict/alcoholic (used to be called cross addicted back in the day....) for 21 long and arduous years....
if i may quote.... "addiction is a disease from which there in no known cure"....
it is classified as a disease because it changes the brain chemistry, and it is further classified as a neurological disorder....the only reason why there is a deabate is because "free will" is involved...once again, the classification goes back to the damage you do to the brain during addiction......
im not sure what i think about penn and teller though...

if i may quote.... "addiction is a disease from which there in no known cure"....

Hi,

What is the source of this pronouncement?

it is classified as a disease because it changes the brain chemistry

If I get my head hit by a brick, and sustain brain damage, is that also a "disease"?

[surreys princess]

that pronouncement is from the anonymous groups....

and yes, if you get brain damage, that can be classified as a disease...the definition of disease is noted here...

disease - definition of disease in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

to each their own though....

[rebgirl420]

Yeah I dont like the whole god thing involved in AA. But I had to take AA when I was locked up, (Everyone had too), AND I DONT EVEN DRINK!, but our guy would come in and he started to come in drunk and he'd rub the other girls backs and shit. And he would try to cover up the smell of the booze with mints...yeah..

[Breukelen advocaat]

that pronouncement is from the anonymous groups....

and yes, if you get brain damage, that can be classified as a disease...the definition of disease is noted here...

disease - definition of disease in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

to each their own though....

I looked at the link that you gave. Alcoholism was not present in their list of diseases. Even if it was, this definition could change, and hopefully will as more knowledge is gathered from research.

But the fact is that AA is useless for the vast majority of people.

We need addiction treatments that work - not superstitious 12 step cults that have about as much scientific method in their approach as astrology, voodoo, witchcraft or tarot-card reading.

It's a disgrace that these programs constitute 97% of treatment options in America. There are "known cures" - but the 12 Step "anonymous groups" don't want them to take over a share of their monopoly in the addiction market. They've been singing the same song since the 1930's, and have no intention of changing at all.

[rebgirl420]

I dunno, I always like the phrase: you made the bed that you have to lay in.

[Lido]

yeag, don't let the bastards get you down.
I really don't think your gonna get much support on a cannabis board.
work your program.
get healthy .
it does work for some.

[birdgirl73]

There are always going to be naysayers, and we've got a habitual one here in this thread.

Like you said, The Yeag. It works if you work it.

[slipknotpsycho]

Well, one of these days you or someone else you know may need him. He's a good one to know about, whether you yourself need a program or not. There are lots of folks who do, and part of the tradition--in fact it's the 12th step--is to help carry the message to others who might need it, that is, people who're struggling. Even folks who aren't close personal acquaintances of Bill W. can do that if they have an understanding of the program. That's part of what motivates my explanation here. In some small way, this thread might be helpful for others on these boards, and I don't refer to the people on this thread, who could benefit from a Step 12 reach-out. They're out there.

(~cough~ somehow i think you have me in mind ) technically, i'm sure a psychiatrist or psychologist would insist i become friends with him... becuase i fit the 'profile' but i'm also alot diffrent from most of his friends o.0 i'll explain how if you need/want me to tho...

[xcrispi]

Good lookin out Yeag ,
Been there , done that . Haven't been to a meeting in 6 yrs.
It takes a big person to go on their own and has a hell of a lot better chance of working when it's not court ordered or forced on someone by family or piers .
I went and admitted myself to outpatient / group and was only 1 of 2 ppl. that wern't forced into it . Act. wanted my life back / control . You -n- your girl know part of what I've been through , I guess it could be considered my 12th. step . I've been as close as any human being has ever been to hell itself . Im blessed my shortconmings wern't a byproduct of addiction .

You got someone that cares about you and Im sure that will now hopefuly influence some of your future decisions .
God Bless Bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Breukelen advocaat]

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