Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Can you cite a reference for your facts, please? Because in what they're teaching in medical schools, these are the standards stats regarding addicion. This information comes from the Diseases of Psychology/Addiction chapter in Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine:
A third of addicts get better.
People who work some sort of program or get some sort of therapeutic help--It doesn't have to be AA, which is certainly far from therapy--are more than four times more likely to succeed than those who don't.
A third of addicts stay about the same.
A third deteriorate.
Addiction is a behavior, and not a ??disease?.

AA will not release much information or statistical data, for good reason: it is a faith-healing cult, completely unscientific, and an abysmal failure as a method of self control. In one of their own publications, AA??s success rate is averaged at five percent (source: P&T Bullshit 12 Step Programs video #3/3), which is the same exact rate as people that stop on their own.

Penn and Teller cover it in detail here (below), with help from people with AA experience, and other experts on addiction. AA is compulsory religion since the courts sentences people to join it, which is against the constitution.

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (1/3)

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (2/3)

YouTube - P&T Bullshit - 12 Step Programs (3/3)

Twelve Step programs are useless,and most drug and alcohol programs use them. We need methods that work.