Michael Moore's $1,000,000,000,000 target.

[higher4hockey]

Michael Moore is about as close as you get. He may be fat, but he's got more fortitude in his little finger than most on this site or for that matter anywhere in this country. Michael Moore is a real American Hero. The reason the wingers make fun of him is they have no substance to their arguements.

moore has no substance in any of his movies...

[Breukelen advocaat]

In Cuba, the best hospitals and health treatments are for the politicians, upper classes and tourists. The average Cuban citizen gets lousy health care.
I think you've just described US health care with the exception of the 60 million that are without any!

The answer is that Americans should be able to buy their own health insurance. The way to do this is to reduce taxes by lowering all the social & corporate welfare, no more foreign aid, and stop other wasteful spending of the taxpayers' money.

New York State has heath insurance available for everyone, based on income. Years ago, there were periods when I was uninsured and couldn't afford it. This would have helped me, but I don't think they had it yet.

Health insurance is very expensive, but if I needed it, I'd buy it myself.

[birdgirl73]

moore has no substance in any of his movies...

This shows how insubstantial your own understanding is. For one thing, they're not movies. They're documentaries. And they're actually quite substantial. If you ever watched one with an open mind and looked at all the topics it covers, you'd notice that. Even if you disagreed with it.

Which, of course, you would.

[birdgirl73]

The answer is that Americans should be able to buy their own health insurance. . . . . Health insurance is very expensive, but if I needed it, I'd buy it myself.

But 8 out of 10 Americans can't afford to do so. You might be able to, but most other folks cannot, even if they spent every dollar they had to pay for the insurance.

That's the point. Our health care system and its costs are completely out of control. And they're getting more and more that way with every passing year. As much as it sounds great to say get rid of welfare spending, eliminate needless waste of tax dollars, and abolish foreign aid, such changes wouldn't begin to tackle the real problem, which is what Moore is pointing out. Our for-profit health care system, with Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Hospital Corporations, and Big Organized Medicine running the show, is absurdly out of financial reach to the people who need it most, even the hard-working ones. All the tax cuts and conservation of federal money in the world isn't going to change a problem that exists within a privatized, big-business system.

[medicinal]

But 8 out of 10 Americans can't afford to do so. You might be able to, but most other folks cannot, even if they spent every dollar they had to pay for the insurance.

That's the point. Our health care system and its costs are completely out of control. And they're getting more and more that way with every passing year. As much as it sounds great to say get rid of welfare spending, eliminate needless waste of tax dollars, and abolish foreign aid, such changes wouldn't begin to tackle the real problem, which is what Moore is pointing out. Our for-profit health care system, with Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Hospital Corporations, and Big Organized Medicine running the show, is absurdly out of financial reach to the people who need it most, even the hard-working ones. All the tax cuts and conservation of federal money in the world isn't going to change a problem that exists within a privatized, big-business system.

can I get an amen!

[Breukelen advocaat]

Rudy Giuliani is in favor of people buying their own health insurance, with the help of "a major tax deduction" and health savings plans.
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"What the Democrats suggested on this stage two nights ago was Socialized medicine.........The reality of it is that we need a free market......Free market principles are the only things that reduce cost and improve quality. Socialized medicine will ruin medicine in the United States". Rudolph Guiliani

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Rudy as Mayor of New York City:
â??Between 1993, when Giuliani took office, to 2001 when he left, murders dropped by an astonishing 66%. Rape went down by 45%, robbery by decreased 67%, and aggravated assault, larceny, and motor vehicle theft each decreased by at least 39%.â?�

[medicinal]

Rudy Giuliani is in favor of people buying their own health insurance, with the help of "a major tax deduction" and health savings plans.
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"What the Democrats suggested on this stage two nights ago was Socialized medicine.........The reality of it is that we need a free market......Free market principles are the only things that reduce cost and improve quality. Socialized medicine will ruin medicine in the United States". Rudolph Guiliani

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Rudy as Mayor of New York City:
â??Between 1993, when Giuliani took office, to 2001 when he left, murders dropped by an astonishing 66%. Rape went down by 45%, robbery by decreased 67%, and aggravated assault, larceny, and motor vehicle theft each decreased by at least 39%.â?�

Rudi Judiani; cross dressing queen of right wing nazism. ,Past: policeman,arrrg, prosecutor,arrrrg, Mayor of NYC with mob affiliations, (never proven) arrrrg. When prompted by knowledgeable officials to move his headquarters after the first attempt on the twin towers, he ignored them and left them in them. Married three times, he has been accused by NYC city firefighters of buldozing remains at the TT site. NYC firefighters protest him at every political rally. If you want the real police state, he's your guy!!! He foams at the mouth with fear tactics, trying to scare citizens into more loss of their freedoms. A vote for Judiani is a Vote for Gulags in every city, with torture for every citizen. If you're that scaired, maybe living in a cave in Tora-Bora is the cure, they can't find Osama!

[birdgirl73]

Rudy Giuliani is in favor of people buying their own health insurance, with the help of "a major tax deduction" and health savings plans.

Of course he's in favor of that. He's a well-to-do, Republican man who will never have to worry where his health insurance comes from--or his tax cuts. He doesn't see any further than his own ability to pay or care about the millions of of people who cannot, and his never-interfere-in-big-business Republican mentality wouldn't dream of actually tackling the real problem of the profit-mongering in Big Insurance/Big Pharma/Big Medicine.

"What the Democrats suggested on this stage two nights ago was Socialized medicine.........The reality of it is that we need a free market......Free market principles are the only things that reduce cost and improve quality. Socialized medicine will ruin medicine in the United States". Rudolph Guiliani

This makes an awfully good sound byte. And folks who are intellectually incapable of listening past sound bytes will certainly buy that, which is what he's counting on. It's the same right-wing scare-tactic misinformation that's been bandied about for years by people who're invested in keeping the outlandish profit system the way it is now.

The threat that "socialized medicine" is going to ruin health care is more of the same. Making health care available and affordable to people in the other civilized countries of the world has done nothing to impair medical quality. Here in our country, we'll still have our state-of-the-art hospitals. We'll still have medical research and development. We'll still be graduating and training physicians and other professionals through the same medical schools and with the same stringent standards. We'll still have unbeaten pharmaceutical products and research. That's not going to change.

The truth is nothing even remotely socialized has yet been proposed, and we already know that the system we'll have to employ in this country will be a cooperative private-public system because it's going to have to use the existing medical infrastructure to a large extent. We can't possibly completely abolish medicine as we know and have enjoyed it because it's too intrinsic to our current economy. It's 16% of our GDP.

Right now, free market principles are precisely what have our health care costs spiraling further and further out of people's reach with each passing year. Those costs are currently rising nearly 10 percent per annum, and with each passing year, that percentage will grow higher and higher. The few of us who can still afford health insurance now may no longer be able to in just three or four more years if we continue on our current course.

Rudy needs to do lots more reading and lots less fear-mongering.

[higher4hockey]

birdgirl~yeah i called it a movie, yipeee....big deal. moore is full of shit and thats that.

[birdgirl73]

". . . is full of shit and thats that."

You're one of those people who needs to be real careful about throwing this phase around.

For obvious reasons.